What wash wrote about the UDV-A,B, and C is correct. That is exactly what I was suggesting. About the comment about UIT having other raptors, they do not. TPG has two raptors, but they are not UIT exclusives and they don't have the UDV sensor suite.

NarWalrusWarrior's comment about a UDV-C with a Large and Small port being basically a WTD is also incorrect. The WTD has its weapons in line and has a turbo energy drain of 60/s. The UDV has its weapons side by side and has a turbo energy drain of 55/s. That difference in energy drain is significant. Plus the UDV and WTD have very different meshes. The UDV's mesh is flare bait.

SVG is an interceptor. For combat, I would take the IBG over the SVG every day. IBG is like the Rev C but upgraded. Lport rockets are harder to use in combat???? A Jackhammer UDV would cream a Sunflare Mk2 EVERY TIME.

The difference between an IBG and Rev-C is so trivial as to be non-existent.

The UDV, SVG, and high end Valks, are turbo top end 225, turbo drain 55. They are chasers.

The only good reason to use a UDV over an SVG or Valk is for the large ports. If a UDV had two small ports, an SVG would be better.

And if you think you know how to use large port unguided rockets, you can get in a UDV with mp/jack and I will get in an SVG with n2/sun, and we can trade energy/rockets. I have not a clue who your character in game is, or what the hell would make you think that you are any match for me.

Do not get me wrong, I love the megaposi, I hate jacks, and I would love to have a UDV with one large port and one small port. You would hate for me to have it.

edit: Personally, I would prefer that we just had better large port weapons. Fix the jack prox fuse.

@Roda

I agree with everything you said. A small port UDV would have its use case along with the 1s & 1l UDV. Now if we could get a Mega Neutron and a Lport PCB that would be better. UDV variants would add a little more juice to the grind for getting those license levels as UIT.

You want an S port UDV for the lenbs. When in reality, Mposi is even better.
In any case, the S port raptor, happens to be the Mk1 and Mk2!

However there is a solution:
Lets take Blaqk and Estrian.
If we had them fight, one in a double S port udv, and another in a double L- they would out find out every single kink, advantage, and disadvantage.

They are the only ones who can find them :D

[NWW: In the future, please self-edit your responses to avoid causing offense and drama. I have been doing it for you, but you are apparently not getting the hint. Thanks. -W]

The OP is for UDV variants. It has nothing to do with TPG Raptors.

@NarWalrusWarrior

You have misunderstood me. I want a variety of UDVs so the UIT can have a variety of choices of how to load out their top level exclusive nation ships. All of your examples are beyond the scope of this thread.

Example of what I am looking for:
All UDVs come with the UDV Sensor suite.
UDV Type A

Level: 8/9/4/1/-
Armor: 10000
Mass: 3500
Cargo: 3
Weapons: 2 Small
Length: 17m
Thrust: 225N
Turbo Thrust: 300N
Max Speed: 65m/s
Spin Torque: 8.5N
Turbo Speed: 225 m/s
Turbo Energy: 54/s

UDV Type B

Level: 9/9/7/1/-
Armor: 11000
Mass: 3900
Cargo: 2
Weapons: 1 Small 1 Large
Length: 17m
Thrust: 225N
Turbo Thrust: 300N
Max Speed: 65m/s
Spin Torque: 8.5N
Turbo Speed: 225 m/s
Turbo Energy: 55/s

UDV Type C Current Model

Level: 10/9/9/1/-
Armor: 12000
Mass: 3800
Cargo: 6
Weapons: 2 Large
Length: 17m
Thrust: 225N
Turbo Thrust: 300N
Max Speed: 65m/s
Spin Torque: 8.5N
Turbo Speed: 225 m/s
Turbo Energy: 55/s

As a side note, I thinks of the UDV as corporate designed (think Tony Stark) ship for rich guys. Lots of bling and in theory It should look great on paper (and pretty in person), But not as battle hardened/tested as what the the Serco and Itani have available. While a UIT member might go out of their way to get 600 level standing with either Serco or Itani, as a proud member of the UIT they will want to fly their nation's ship more.

Type-b is stupid.
Its basically the territorial defender. The UIT Minor-specific we talked about.
Were trying to avoid that, you see.

Whistler I've been noticing your little comments and deletions btw.
I'm like wash tho, don't really care.

I dont like the 54m/s turbo snuck into the type-A.
You clearly want it solely as an interceptor.
Its too light too.
And the license req needs to be heightened.

Can you expand on why you think the idea is "stupid"? I can't improve on the idea If you just dismiss it outright. As I mentioned farther up in the thread, the WTD is a very different ship (guns in line, turbo drain high, etc).



I didn't "sneak" it in. I put it there blatantly. The UDV is a military interceptor. (Screen shot from the game: The small port version is be a bit lighter and has a smidge better turbo drain. But the armor is much reduced from the current model. The license levels are fine. Top level nation exclusive ships get to be light. Look at the valk: The Mk1 valk is 3000 kg and it has 3 weapon ports. None of my UDV variant suggestions come close to that.

As a side note, I thinks of the UDV as corporate designed (think Tony Stark) ship for rich guys. Lots of bling and in theory It should look great on paper (and pretty in person), But not as battle hardened/tested as what the the Serco and Itani have available.

Nicely said! Those UDV variants don't look too OP, so it won't exactly be like giving them more good combat ships as I had thought earlier.

@Roda I would get a IBG just as a keepsake. But I would agree a UIT getting a IBG for combat is pretty useless, the Rev C is practically the same with 200 less armor and more thrust mass ratio by just a little (correct me if I am wrong) from the ibg.

+1 We all float. I like the type A B C suggestion, and the stats you laid out seemed balanced enough.

Just because UIT are less combat oriented still doesn't mean they can't have a variety of ships designed for patrol, interdiction or militarized policing abilities. Nice stats. Good job. Let's see some varied UIT Raptors!

I would use the shit out of the Type B. 1 megaposis +1 lenb would be sweet and could actually keep up with the X-1 or SVG while not really surpassing it. Sounds balanced.

Sunflares are better than Jackhammers only in that the ships which can mount the latter tend to be easier to hit.

/2c

We all float...No, only ONE top nation specific ship gets to be light. The Valkyrie. The prom is heavy, the raptor is a med.
The 3800Kg weight of the UDV is already stretching its limit. Any lighter, and it would have to be considered a light. Each nation has its own storyline fighting style: Itani, Light ships- UIT, Medium ships, Serco, Heavy ships. I believe, you are wrong.

Voidance: There are plenty of ships that can keep up with the SVG. But the valk is intended to be the ultimate fighter. The UDV, intended to be an "enforcement" ship per say, which can intercept and dogfight equally. The SCP is intended to be the most dominant heavy ship, taking hits, while administering more hits than the SCP itself receives.
The UDV itself is not designed to keep up with the valk or SVG. Its a medium ship. Interceptor. Its not designed to be competing against serco and itani ships anyways.
If weight were bumped to 4,000kg I could agree to these. But the matter of fact is, this ship is NOT designed to compete with the other high end fighters. Its a hybrid ship with hybrid purposes and does a hybrid job with a hybridly designed setup that is a hybrid of interceptor and a fighter which is a HYBRID ship. Expect tradeoffs.

There are very few ships with variants which have different ports, and the ones that do- are intended for radically different purposes than the initial design.
exe: Tung Mineral maud-designed for mining rather than high speed cargo. Increased turbo thrust for escaping bots, lower top speed because it isn't necessary. two l ports intended for mining beams
exe: the moths, with different ports for different purposes.

If there is to be a version of a ship with another addon setup, there shouldn't be THREE (save for the moth, which is understandable) I wish there was a 2s 1L valk, but youre not supposed to have choices. Youre supposed to deal with what you already have. Of course, We would all love to tear with a 1L 2S valk. But we dont have one, do we?

There shouldnt be a so many versions of the UDV aswell.
Keep it simple.

@NarWalrusWarrior

The raptor series is a Light ship. It says so in the description. The UDV as it is right now weights in 3800 kg. That is pretty darn light.

Lets look at the description of the TPG Raptor:



And the TPG Raptor 2



And the UDV:



Nothing in these descriptions infers a medium weight. They all either say fighter or interceptor. In fact the description of the UDV specifically says "lower mass".

Now compare these descriptions to that of the WTD and atlas :



As you can see the WTD (a medium ship) weighs in at 5300kg. The atlas (also medium) is 10,000kg.

Finally the Centurion and Vulture:

The Mk1 cent is 4200 kg, and Mk1 vult is 4200kg.

Even the TPG Raptors come in less than mass of the Mk1 vult and cent. Could you please justify how you consider the Raptor series a medium ship? I'm having a hard time understanding. Do you mean it is medium due to its length?

As an aside the skyprom comes in at 10,000 kg, which is the same mass as the atlas Mk1. So while it is classified as a heavy, I could make a good case that it is actually a medium ship (with absurd armor). This adds credence to my statement that top level nation specific ships get to be light.


For my variant suggestions I made the small port version (UDV-A) a smidge lighter than the current model, because the small ports probably use less mass. And i also reduced the cargo space to make it a bit lighter. For comparison's sake, the Valk Rune is weighs in 3000 kg, and has 6 cu of cargo space AND has 3 weapon ports. The Rune is better than the UDV-A in most ways. For the UDV-B i balanced the mass of the large port by nudging the mass up to 3900kg. For the UDV-C, i kept all the specs the same as the current UDV version.

"But the valk is intended to be the ultimate fighter. The UDV, intended to be an "enforcement" ship per say, which can intercept and dogfight equally. The SCP is intended to be the most dominant heavy ship, taking hits, while administering more hits than the SCP itself receives.

The UDV itself is not designed to keep up with the valk or SVG. Its a medium ship. Interceptor. Its not designed to be competing against serco and itani ships anyways. "

Please point to documentation or statements made by the devs that support this, if you can.

FYI your assumptions are both non factual and wrong.