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Remove Camo Hound from LTS
Make it a micro-transaction, and provide some real benefits for LTS which can be suggested below.
You guys love to cry about pay-to-win, time for some ideological consistency.
Right now, anyone can pay LTS for a month, buy 1000 camo hounds, and not have to worry about a thing for the rest of their VO life.
You guys love to cry about pay-to-win, time for some ideological consistency.
Right now, anyone can pay LTS for a month, buy 1000 camo hounds, and not have to worry about a thing for the rest of their VO life.
I don't have a preference for whether the Camo Hound is a micro-transaction or an LTS benefit.
What does this have to do with pay-to-win complaints and ideological consistency?
What does this have to do with pay-to-win complaints and ideological consistency?
"You guys love to cry about pay-to-win..."
Do you really expect people to listen to you when you phrase suggestions this way?
I don't think the Camo hound is the issue. I think that you are unhappy with the idea that LTS benefits remain after a user is no longer a long term subscriber. What would be more palatable to LTS users, but would not punish people who let their LTS status lapse and then return?
What if the LTS benefits disappear if there is a lapse in subscription and the purchase price is refunded? Free items would simply disappear, and reappear upon resuming LTS.
Do you really expect people to listen to you when you phrase suggestions this way?
I don't think the Camo hound is the issue. I think that you are unhappy with the idea that LTS benefits remain after a user is no longer a long term subscriber. What would be more palatable to LTS users, but would not punish people who let their LTS status lapse and then return?
What if the LTS benefits disappear if there is a lapse in subscription and the purchase price is refunded? Free items would simply disappear, and reappear upon resuming LTS.
Clearly someone complained now that camo hounds can only be found in Odia M-14.
I don't care if "people" listen to my suggestion, there is only one person this thread is intended for and that is Incarnate.
The "problem" is that the camo hound has been screwed with beyond repair, to fix non-issues while the real issues still remain for nothing more than to quench drama, a story that repeats a lot around here. There is massive inconsistency with taking a position against this suggestion, to then go around and make a case for things like Capital Ship Deconstruction or removing the large port from the hound(and then running a script to dearm existing ones again for the sole reason of quenching drama)
So the result is less available content, more imbalance, more drama, and a further exacerbation of "problems".
The solution is VERY simple, grandfather existing assets, and convert to the existing microtransaction system. Enough convenient position changes on real issues based on the arbitrary, it's the same reason the economy is utterly destroyed and fiat. You can't have both, so pick.
So to be quite honest, I could care less if people are offended and put the blinders on over a something as menial as "you guys love to cry", if they are that sensitive they are part of the problem or suggest a forum /ignore feature(I already did ;p)
At what point do we just cede the game to a vocal minority operating under emotion instead of logic?
I don't care if "people" listen to my suggestion, there is only one person this thread is intended for and that is Incarnate.
The "problem" is that the camo hound has been screwed with beyond repair, to fix non-issues while the real issues still remain for nothing more than to quench drama, a story that repeats a lot around here. There is massive inconsistency with taking a position against this suggestion, to then go around and make a case for things like Capital Ship Deconstruction or removing the large port from the hound(and then running a script to dearm existing ones again for the sole reason of quenching drama)
So the result is less available content, more imbalance, more drama, and a further exacerbation of "problems".
The solution is VERY simple, grandfather existing assets, and convert to the existing microtransaction system. Enough convenient position changes on real issues based on the arbitrary, it's the same reason the economy is utterly destroyed and fiat. You can't have both, so pick.
So to be quite honest, I could care less if people are offended and put the blinders on over a something as menial as "you guys love to cry", if they are that sensitive they are part of the problem or suggest a forum /ignore feature(I already did ;p)
At what point do we just cede the game to a vocal minority operating under emotion instead of logic?
Frankly speaking only for myself.. the only benefit I get from LTS is the camo greyhound and its the sole reason I pay a year up front. It would seem to me that removing the camo hound would be a deal-breaker since there is effectively no other benefit despite there being multiple offerings of LTS. Having advance access to things is highly dependent on other areas, weapons, content actually being created. The hound is something I have and am assured of having consistently for 12 months, every day.
What does the Camo Hound being a micro transaction vs. an LTS benefit have to do with pay-to-win complaints and ideological consistency?
I buy microtransaction(one-time)
I buy camo hounds as needed
Is better than
I buy LTS
I find out little by little LTS benefits get curtailed day by day inch by inch without rhyme or reason.
I find out LTS doesn't actually have any real benefits other than an email list.
I buy 1000x camo hounds
I never LTS again
Pretty common sense. Those who disagree with the above will have a hard time formulating a response that amounts to anything more than "You're a bad guy, so no u!" or some other kind of dismissive tact and staying consistent to the anti-"p2w" mindset.
That way, if Incarnate wants to pull another bait and switch just to shut a small but vocal cross-section of the community we can just boycott micro-transactions entirely. It's pretty hard to do that without defeating the system(and devaluing LTS/Microtransactions) when you're under a honor contract for a YEAR.
Perhaps if we had a bit of consistency around here things like the faction redux would have gone smoother, I mean honestly we have a central planned economy, price fixing, and so on and expect things like a dynamic economy, or a prosperous free player market to function flawlessly. It's kind of insane.
Almost like trying to slow down a ship by making it lighter.
I buy camo hounds as needed
Is better than
I buy LTS
I find out little by little LTS benefits get curtailed day by day inch by inch without rhyme or reason.
I find out LTS doesn't actually have any real benefits other than an email list.
I buy 1000x camo hounds
I never LTS again
Pretty common sense. Those who disagree with the above will have a hard time formulating a response that amounts to anything more than "You're a bad guy, so no u!" or some other kind of dismissive tact and staying consistent to the anti-"p2w" mindset.
That way, if Incarnate wants to pull another bait and switch just to shut a small but vocal cross-section of the community we can just boycott micro-transactions entirely. It's pretty hard to do that without defeating the system(and devaluing LTS/Microtransactions) when you're under a honor contract for a YEAR.
Perhaps if we had a bit of consistency around here things like the faction redux would have gone smoother, I mean honestly we have a central planned economy, price fixing, and so on and expect things like a dynamic economy, or a prosperous free player market to function flawlessly. It's kind of insane.
Almost like trying to slow down a ship by making it lighter.
Honestly nobody gives a flying fuck if you buy a greyhound with camo skin for $5.
Micro transactions only for cosmetics are not pay to win, silly little boy.
Micro transactions only for cosmetics are not pay to win, silly little boy.
I don't care if "people" listen to my suggestion, there is only one person this thread is intended for and that is Incarnate.
You're posting to speak to the Community of other players on Suggestions. Not just me. Adjust your expectations and posts accordingly.
The "problem" is that the camo hound has been screwed with beyond repair, to fix non-issues while the real issues still remain for nothing more than to quench drama, a story that repeats a lot around here.
Seriously? Because I removed it from two sectors? It was never intended to incur a locational advantage. It's as-available as the regular Hound in grayspace. So.. who cares? Whatever.
The solution is VERY simple, grandfather existing assets, and convert to the existing microtransaction system.
There is no existing microtransaction system. It only exists on iOS and Android, where there are built in Operating System mechanics to support it. We don't have a system built around our own finance mechanisms for other platforms, and that is not a small thing for us to build. So, no, your idea is not that "simple", even if it was clearly beneficial in some way (which it.. isn't?).
Buying cosmetics is not pay to win, silly little boy.
Joyless, you've been warned to be nicer on Suggestions many times, and thread-muted 77 times. Honestly, the thread-muting system was always supposed to lead to a cumulative ban from the forums, it's only by development-happenstance that you're still able to post at all. But, in case it isn't super clear, this kind of acerbic and personally-confrontational style of dialogue is not acceptable here.
Mi5, I'm open to the notion that I've done lots of things wrong, but dial down the angst.
You're posting to speak to the Community of other players on Suggestions. Not just me. Adjust your expectations and posts accordingly.
The "problem" is that the camo hound has been screwed with beyond repair, to fix non-issues while the real issues still remain for nothing more than to quench drama, a story that repeats a lot around here.
Seriously? Because I removed it from two sectors? It was never intended to incur a locational advantage. It's as-available as the regular Hound in grayspace. So.. who cares? Whatever.
The solution is VERY simple, grandfather existing assets, and convert to the existing microtransaction system.
There is no existing microtransaction system. It only exists on iOS and Android, where there are built in Operating System mechanics to support it. We don't have a system built around our own finance mechanisms for other platforms, and that is not a small thing for us to build. So, no, your idea is not that "simple", even if it was clearly beneficial in some way (which it.. isn't?).
Buying cosmetics is not pay to win, silly little boy.
Joyless, you've been warned to be nicer on Suggestions many times, and thread-muted 77 times. Honestly, the thread-muting system was always supposed to lead to a cumulative ban from the forums, it's only by development-happenstance that you're still able to post at all. But, in case it isn't super clear, this kind of acerbic and personally-confrontational style of dialogue is not acceptable here.
Mi5, I'm open to the notion that I've done lots of things wrong, but dial down the angst.
Just out of curiosity what is my thread mute count?
The -Wash- account has two thread mutes. (Let's not get off-topic here..)
You're posting to speak to the Community of other players on Suggestions. Not just me. Adjust your expectations and posts accordingly.
Ok.
Seriously? Because I removed it from two sectors? It was never intended to incur a locational advantage. It's as-available as the regular Hound in grayspace. So.. who cares? Whatever.
No, because this isn't the first time you've touched the hound. I can't assume your intentions for the content available. The issue with the hound has never been the locations available, the ports, the costs(resell), it has ALWAYS been overpowered thrust paired with max speed and infinite turbo. If you had paid attention to people outside of the "small vocal unsubscribed cross-section of the community" whenever Bojans "drama" happened you would have been able to maintain a bit more consistency and not have to deal with this.
Unfortunately we cannot change the past, that does not mean the future is set in stone however.
I'll try to lighten things up, from here on out in this and other threads.
Ok.
Seriously? Because I removed it from two sectors? It was never intended to incur a locational advantage. It's as-available as the regular Hound in grayspace. So.. who cares? Whatever.
No, because this isn't the first time you've touched the hound. I can't assume your intentions for the content available. The issue with the hound has never been the locations available, the ports, the costs(resell), it has ALWAYS been overpowered thrust paired with max speed and infinite turbo. If you had paid attention to people outside of the "small vocal unsubscribed cross-section of the community" whenever Bojans "drama" happened you would have been able to maintain a bit more consistency and not have to deal with this.
Unfortunately we cannot change the past, that does not mean the future is set in stone however.
I'll try to lighten things up, from here on out in this and other threads.
Okaay.. but this thread isn't called "The Hound is Overpowered!", it's called "Remove Camo Hound from LTS". Regardless of whether the Hound itself is imbalanced with respect to the other ships in the game, the LTS Camo Hound and the regular Hound are identical in configuration. So.. I fail to see how any of that bears on whether or not it should be a component of an LTS reward.
Jesus Christ..
This has nothing to do with the greyhound, it has to do with the interactions and resulting changes between administration and users. I will repeat myself again, it has nothing to do with the ports themselves or point of sale, it has to do with the reasoning(or lackof) behind the changes.
What you are failing to see is that the current LTS system is broken(Same reason or at least in part of why you forced LTS Goliaths), abused(Lets be honest here, only administration has active player stats and payment logs so only you can really know how bad it is), and that the CAMO Greyhound is being wasted as a "Reward" when it could provide a new stream of income via microtransactions.
It's not like there are not countless other ways for GS to show it's appreciation for throwing our money at it "Long Term".
This has nothing to do with the greyhound, it has to do with the interactions and resulting changes between administration and users. I will repeat myself again, it has nothing to do with the ports themselves or point of sale, it has to do with the reasoning(or lackof) behind the changes.
What you are failing to see is that the current LTS system is broken(Same reason or at least in part of why you forced LTS Goliaths), abused(Lets be honest here, only administration has active player stats and payment logs so only you can really know how bad it is), and that the CAMO Greyhound is being wasted as a "Reward" when it could provide a new stream of income via microtransactions.
It's not like there are not countless other ways for GS to show it's appreciation for throwing our money at it "Long Term".
I would call the LTS system "imperfect", even "flawed", but not actually "broken". And, as you say, I'm the only one in this conversation who would actually know one way or the other.
There are countless ways for us to do various things, but the Camo hound, however imperfect an offering, is something we have now. There are other benefits to LTS, and there are a lot of other plans.. but none of this is very important right now.
If I added the Camo Hound as a purchasable product, the result would not likely be a meaningful enough move in revenue to justify the time expenditure in implementing that change (even amortized over a.. year). So, let me continue to focus on areas that are actually quite successful..
There are countless ways for us to do various things, but the Camo hound, however imperfect an offering, is something we have now. There are other benefits to LTS, and there are a lot of other plans.. but none of this is very important right now.
If I added the Camo Hound as a purchasable product, the result would not likely be a meaningful enough move in revenue to justify the time expenditure in implementing that change (even amortized over a.. year). So, let me continue to focus on areas that are actually quite successful..
As long as you are aware, the purpose of my communications have been met.
What you are failing to see is that the current LTS system is broken(Same reason or at least in part of why you forced LTS Goliaths), abused(Lets be honest here, only administration has active player stats and payment logs so only you can really know how bad it is)
You have made newer players abuse Static Routes and the LTS system when they introduced the Goliath, you provided every new player with friend keys and told them to exploit LTS for the Goliaths. And now you pretend to be a saint?
You have made newer players abuse Static Routes and the LTS system when they introduced the Goliath, you provided every new player with friend keys and told them to exploit LTS for the Goliaths. And now you pretend to be a saint?
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Blaqk did a dog bite you or something? You seem deathly afraid of hounds.
Blaqk did a dog bite you or something? You seem deathly afraid of hounds.