There's nothing technical about the reality at hand, if anything you've fallen victim to cognitive dissidence.

You follow me into every thread and slander me(along with the rest of the political party/ideology you side with in game), and then accuse me of picking a fight. Too rich.

You give me way too much credit.

Can we please talk about the subject at hand, the Badger Capship

Mi5, we all want the Devs to complete the assets they are working on, but throwing new ideas out there on a suggestions forum (the Hopes and Dreams forum) is not counter productive; instead It is reflection of the dreams of us the players.

Could you instead tell us why you don't like the ship stats and how you would improve on them?

@JJ

No need to be humble about it, step up and claim your prize!

@somote

Sure that's easy, the suggestion is based around the incorrect assumption that capital ships are only used for trading. Capital ships are a MASSIVE part of the puzzle that is player combat and otherwise required for farming and grinding. That is what gives them so much value.

All I see is a slow vulnerable target that for a purpose built "escort" capital ship it has less armor than what it is defending, and no shield. That can't even be used for the one thing it's supposed to be used for, combat. There is no dock, and having turrets/weapons prebuilt into the capital ship only limit it more.

Trident Type M's can already walk away with a large variable of safety from nearly any threat by simply jumping away, so to escort "large convoys" of escort missions or player XC's that would mean that you expect the above ship to kill a pirate before it kills the person you're defending, which is a laughable bet at most.

Capital ships take a lot of effort, time, and thought to design, and implement. We need them to curb inflation as well, for the stated reasons above alone this ship has no value to manufacture when the parts could be used for something that can be adapted to many more tasks. I don't see 700m or anywhere near that value.

This is a suggestion for a Medium Cap Cell as well, which has it's own problems(25% jumps taking 100%, etc) but that should be left to its own thread.

If you want to optimize capital ship interactions perhaps it's time to actually polish the existing two player owned capital ships, the obscenely broken turrets are a good place to start.

The specs given make the Badger faster than a Goliath and Trident. So that means it is not slow (for a capship).

Slow based on purpose and ability.

+1. Good thinkin' dread. Maybe one day, eh?

Well +1 to badger but want capella , trident type s/p first .

Several off topic posts have been removed and their authors dis-invited from the thread.

-1
-Purpose to cost far too low.
-Gatturets are shit.
-We have turretbots already.
-A cap ship with neither a docking bay nor shields? More like a moth -that sat in a TPG freightyard and was tinkered with too long.
-Medium power cell with changed stats is just a flashy piece of code without an energy consuming primary weapon. Excepting while being PCBd.
-A noob with a PCB and 2 furies could kill this with armour that low and a lack of any shielding. Hell a uncoordinated fighter barrage could kill this quickly.
-Ideas:
-Make it like a furies sort of thing (it follows you when you want it to so now it's more of an escort and helps a bit in furball.)
-Idea to add functionality: rebuild requires 4 turrets of whatever you want it to be and 2 missile turrets of whatever you want those to be
And turrets are permanent until next rebuild. 500k c as always to rebuild.
-grid power 50- 100 so no abuse of capgauss and swarmturrets lol
-And finally reduce the manu requirements to about half or less with maybe a slight further nerf to durability.

Without these it's -1. Add a few or post your own ideas on viable improvements and then I may + 1

@clankplusm

*cost is to low* no its not, it should be how it is, if its role as a support convoy then it should not need a docking bay because the pilot should stay flying in the ship for an advantage, the guardian cores are good for it because it will act like a "guardian" to a convoy, you kinda need to add the turrets for it to be useful ya know.

*Gatturets are sh*t.* Gatling cannons mk2 are not sh*t and turrets are way better, hell why don't we add capital Gatling turrets again make them even more useful-er then just like the NPC heavy miner moth mk2 escorts ships.

*We have turretbots already.* yes that's a thing, but we don't all own a second devices and/or want to use them, i see a few Goliath and trident captains that don't use them, so that reason is pretty invalid in my opinion.

*A cap ship with neither a docking bay nor shields? More like a moth -that sat in a TPG freightyard and was tinkered with too long.* yeah the propeller group is crafty if this was true. but again they could get an idea like "oh wait this is a moth I am pretty sure I can add a lot my armor, engines, I just forget the shield because heh why would I need them for this job, oh and ya it will be a support class type of capital ship so it should focus on support and the pilot shouldn't un-dock to help their friends because it would make the ship worthless, man I will get this promotion for sure!" ok ya went RP over board on that one but still makes a valid point.

*-Medium power cell with changed stats is just a flashy piece of code without an energy consuming primary weapon. Excepting while being PCBd.* well sh*t sorry there clank forgot you were a game maker ya know what flashy piece of code are. its a capship for damn sake clank have you ever seen a capship lose energy when they fire their main guns or even turrets? no they don't maybe go on that PCC for once like you say that you are apart of and go fly a Goliath and a dent and fire all of their guns, maybe also use your turret bot for the turrets. nothing is immune to PCB clank, a escort Capella is good as gone if its PCB and his friends going to Avalon it.

*-A noob with a PCB and 2 furies could kill this with armour that low and a lack of any shielding. Hell a uncoordinated fighter barrage could kill this quickly.* please show me where this a thing, I know VO has some bad noobs but come on, you are not a noobs if you know what PCB is nor what furies are, that's common sense, or at least I hope so lol. ya no shields hooray no need to bomb its shields off you don't need furies when something has zero shields, if it has armor anything damageable can hurt it, even a levi against training neutrons would get hurt if it had no shield counting the person doesn't get rekt but the levi fire or the bots, also how long would that take? ya know for vo science, also again if it has armor and no shield it can be killed, you can just say some noob warped into a player with this ship and could kill it right away un-prepared or anything, that wont happen the pilot would kill the attacker easy.

*-Make it like a furies sort of thing (it follows you when you want it to so now it's more of an escort and helps a bit in furball.)* ok one i hope you used a furie before because they are not made for this line of work with the stats the ship it is given, it would just be like a rogue queen that shoots and turns its attackers but would die fast if its lured, also furies i use mostly are for lazy queen kills so if a capship is in sector with a queen, RIP new ship, also no furball just no i love bullsh*ttiry it would be great but we could all move away from it easy. also its a pilot support ship if its a convoy so you can have a mission and not do group convoy moving but then what if it gets hurt by friends? either rip friend ship or shield and some dmg or RIP horrible idea of a furie.

*-Idea to add functionality: rebuild requires 4 turrets of whatever you want it to be and 2 missile turrets of whatever you want those to be
And turrets are permanent until next rebuild. 500k c as always to rebuild.* k c? what is it credits or thousands via k? or is it worth KFC? also no it is given set turrets as it was manufactured as, or we just have people making them insuring it, then boom and re-buy it, no not a great idea mate, that sounds like either a waste of time for manufacturer or a abuse if its doesn't get change and does this "idea".

*-grid power 50- 100 so no abuse of capgauss and swarmturrets lol* what? you first say fancy code medium cell then now this? dude its a capship it can defend it self as a capship, but no invalid idea because it has *set* turrets so there wont be any abuse of capgauss nor swarmturrets, also i would like to know this *abuse of capgauss and swarmturrets*, because if its abuse it means you cant dodge them or a bug, and i think its the first option.

*-And finally reduce the manu requirements to about half or less with maybe a slight further nerf to durability.* "sh*t ok forget the main parts boys we going to forgot the engine and the main parts to support this whole ships and its crew", i hope you read the manufacturing needed for the Goliath because Goliath needs a lot of stuff if we were going to realistically keep it going and the crew alive, because if you cut that in half or even less then might as well call it titanic, also no you need that armor its support it makes up it lose of shields.

In the Goliath inventory blurb it states that it is the smallest ship with both energy shielding and a docking bay. Ergo, anything smaller than a Goliath would lack these things. Dread is keeping with the role play.

1. I said in this sentence that its TOO expensive not too cheap.
2. Yes. Gatturets are shit. At least for a Capitol ship to use with heavier guns available. Also I'm not 100% sure I'll check later but scan a terradon in Deneb with your fancy ass UDV and say we don't have Capitol gats
3. Valid point.
4. At least you're actually criticising this instead of just complaining about the whole thing. Thank you.
5. I don't see your point. You literally just proved my point.
6. I'm implying if that noob had some training, he could just murder all the turrets and it's now a sitting duck.
7. I'm not implying it would be strictly using furies code. Maybe it'd be required to stay within 1000m of your capship at all times or 1000m of you when commanded to do so
8. Was written at 3 AM and was a concept so fuck you if it was a bit stupid. Also K C is K as in thousand C as in credits. Fuck you you grammar nazi.
9. only implies if 8 was implemented. Otherwise the medium cell is shit. This was a point of adding functionality.
10. And finally ffs you can make smaller parts idjit. Or just make it cost credits for all I care.

Clearly even when it is written in the afternoon you have no concept of how the game works. This would be the most fun ship in the universe if it was made, provided you had a clue how the game actually works.

clank you rebuttal sounded more of a personal attack, no idea if its just me. also if a noob gets training and is good in his training its not a noob, nor a vet but a decent player. also grammar nazi? dude you have more English experience than me, i guess the nickname ss works for me then? lol.

edit: also if you are going to reply to my rebuttal, do it kindly and with more constructive answer, thank you.

Dude. It's obvious as shit. Also I actually doubt you have less English experience than me.

Ok so you admitted just now saying "its obvious as sh*t" saying you just did a personal attack, Ok. also despite me being in Canada for twelve years since i left the Netherlands my English is still bad. going to be honest only reason the forum post isn't horrible spelling is because of grammar and auto-correct.