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@Ore:
Let the end user decide if they want to hear that player's "voice".
I have considered proposing some form of mute bypass. You, I, and/or someone else may not agree with the muting, or even agreeing with it, may still wish to converse with the person that is muted. As it stands, (last I checked), you can send buddy note while muted, (but not receive them), and you can talk in station bars. I have been muted, and when it came to getting real game play done, the players around me found ways to circumvent the muting, in order to communicate with me. But the process could be more strait forward. I would entertain suggestions along those lines.
ignore is equally as effective
Ignore is a tool. It is not the same tool as mute, and is not for the same purpose. Ignore is to protect yourself. Mute is to protect the player base at large.
Ignore without mute could be even more sinister than mute.
Mute provides feedback. You generally know you have been muted. If everyone in the game ignored you, how would you know?
Mute has a time limit. At some point, mute will expire, and you are given another chance to be civil. Ignore is indefinite. You may be ignored forever.
Ignore is not a replacement for mute, and mute is not a replacement for ignore.
If some one is annoying you, ignore them. If someone is annoying the majority of the player base, mute them.
Let the end user decide if they want to hear that player's "voice".
I have considered proposing some form of mute bypass. You, I, and/or someone else may not agree with the muting, or even agreeing with it, may still wish to converse with the person that is muted. As it stands, (last I checked), you can send buddy note while muted, (but not receive them), and you can talk in station bars. I have been muted, and when it came to getting real game play done, the players around me found ways to circumvent the muting, in order to communicate with me. But the process could be more strait forward. I would entertain suggestions along those lines.
ignore is equally as effective
Ignore is a tool. It is not the same tool as mute, and is not for the same purpose. Ignore is to protect yourself. Mute is to protect the player base at large.
Ignore without mute could be even more sinister than mute.
Mute provides feedback. You generally know you have been muted. If everyone in the game ignored you, how would you know?
Mute has a time limit. At some point, mute will expire, and you are given another chance to be civil. Ignore is indefinite. You may be ignored forever.
Ignore is not a replacement for mute, and mute is not a replacement for ignore.
If some one is annoying you, ignore them. If someone is annoying the majority of the player base, mute them.
"Majority of the player base" is Wes. Not really a good sampling.
I am embarrassed for any player that would let something as trivial as being muted get under their skin.
If I was muted, I would not let it bother me. But if it actually did bother me, I would never give anyone the satisfaction of letting them know it bothered me.
Being bothered in the extreme by being muted is embarrassing and shameful, beyond compare.
The purpose of VO chat, is to support playing VO. Any chat that is not about proactively playing VO, is strictly optional, and unsupported, without any protection or guaranty of any kind. You do not have a right to free speech in VO chat. You have a right to play the game, and use VO chat in support of playing the game, and that is about the limits of your rights to VO chat.
If Kenny had been muted for attempting to raise an army to go blast things, or to go capture a station, or anything else directly related to actually playing VO, I would be all over it. I do not know why kenny was muted, but I am willing to bet it wasn't for promoting proactively "playing VO".
I can say in chat: "two priest and a rabbi... ", and if it gets me muted, too bad, because it is not relevant to playing VO, and it is unsupported, and not protected.
If I say: "Get your guns and meet me in latos. KILL SKV!", and I get muted by an SKV conspiracy, I would raise hell. But I bet you no one got muted for saying that. I bet you no one even said that.
Play the game, or log out.
If I was muted, I would not let it bother me. But if it actually did bother me, I would never give anyone the satisfaction of letting them know it bothered me.
Being bothered in the extreme by being muted is embarrassing and shameful, beyond compare.
The purpose of VO chat, is to support playing VO. Any chat that is not about proactively playing VO, is strictly optional, and unsupported, without any protection or guaranty of any kind. You do not have a right to free speech in VO chat. You have a right to play the game, and use VO chat in support of playing the game, and that is about the limits of your rights to VO chat.
If Kenny had been muted for attempting to raise an army to go blast things, or to go capture a station, or anything else directly related to actually playing VO, I would be all over it. I do not know why kenny was muted, but I am willing to bet it wasn't for promoting proactively "playing VO".
I can say in chat: "two priest and a rabbi... ", and if it gets me muted, too bad, because it is not relevant to playing VO, and it is unsupported, and not protected.
If I say: "Get your guns and meet me in latos. KILL SKV!", and I get muted by an SKV conspiracy, I would raise hell. But I bet you no one got muted for saying that. I bet you no one even said that.
Play the game, or log out.
@Ore & Roda
Just to get the facts straight here.
Kenny was not muted by SKV. There was maybe 3 or 4 of us online at the time. Kenny was muted by a number of players who were online at that time for being annoying on general chat.
However, in retaliation, TGFT vote mute squad composed entirely and only of TGFT players went on a crusade and muted IRC, EP, Shark and Wrap within minutes. None of us did say more then 1-2 sentences prior to muting.
Devs have the logs, they investigated this and made their ruling concerning this incident.
Just to get the facts straight here.
Kenny was not muted by SKV. There was maybe 3 or 4 of us online at the time. Kenny was muted by a number of players who were online at that time for being annoying on general chat.
However, in retaliation, TGFT vote mute squad composed entirely and only of TGFT players went on a crusade and muted IRC, EP, Shark and Wrap within minutes. None of us did say more then 1-2 sentences prior to muting.
Devs have the logs, they investigated this and made their ruling concerning this incident.
double edged sword.
muting can only be seen as unjustified if the person muted restricted their chat use to proactively playing VO. I can not imagine any chat from irc falling into this category. irc has next to zero protection from mute.
muting can only be seen as unjustified if the person muted restricted their chat use to proactively playing VO. I can not imagine any chat from irc falling into this category. irc has next to zero protection from mute.
Just to get the facts straight here: stop complaining to us that a fire you (SKV) started is burning you. This all just a stupid extension of the bullshit you started long ago. Grow up and take ownership of the consequences of your actions.
@Greenwall
I am not complaining about anything, only you are using this thread to ease your butthurt.
Just laid out the facts for Ore and Roda who were uncertain of how things went.
I am perfectly satisfied with the devs ruling on this matter.
I am not complaining about anything, only you are using this thread to ease your butthurt.
Just laid out the facts for Ore and Roda who were uncertain of how things went.
I am perfectly satisfied with the devs ruling on this matter.
i always kinda viewed vote mute as a function to get rid of those that annoy a large amount of people. roc violators go in that case of course and thats how it should be.
but then there has always been a rp-bit to vote mute in my mind. players who don't wanna hear certain people can mute them. if they get enough mutes, fair enough.
muting really doesn't reduce gaming fun. you can still play the game... fly around, shoot stuff, mine, trade, manufacture, conquer... all you can't do anymore is flame your enemy in 100. as i see it this aint the purpose of VO anyways.
tbh i'm kinda glad to hear of guilds or a group of symphathizing people muting each other. it shows someone is playing this game. and tbh, complaining about it will just make TGFT folks laugh. you can't really say "woah wait what" when the largest guilds turns off your chatter after you spent days in chat badmouthing them. i don't approve of it but i really don't think it's something to be complained about. its VO - a war game after all. wars are fought in all ways. no surprises here.
but then there has always been a rp-bit to vote mute in my mind. players who don't wanna hear certain people can mute them. if they get enough mutes, fair enough.
muting really doesn't reduce gaming fun. you can still play the game... fly around, shoot stuff, mine, trade, manufacture, conquer... all you can't do anymore is flame your enemy in 100. as i see it this aint the purpose of VO anyways.
tbh i'm kinda glad to hear of guilds or a group of symphathizing people muting each other. it shows someone is playing this game. and tbh, complaining about it will just make TGFT folks laugh. you can't really say "woah wait what" when the largest guilds turns off your chatter after you spent days in chat badmouthing them. i don't approve of it but i really don't think it's something to be complained about. its VO - a war game after all. wars are fought in all ways. no surprises here.
As much as we'd all hate to admit it, chat is a part of this game. If you are excluded from this part of of the game, you're likely to quit.
cpt. galactic was expressing an interest in helping me slay SKV when I got muted. They must really fear me and him as a team. But, that night passed. I made profit the night SKV expressed their fear and slayed pirates. INC's and Ray's silence disappoint me, but hell with them. If they don't want what's best for VO, heck with it.
[If they don't want whats best for vo]
And you know what is best? Pffft
And you know what is best? Pffft
INC's and Ray's silence disappoint me, but hell with them. If they don't want what's best for VO, heck with it.
Heh. Entirely unrelated to the existence of this thread, Ray has been burning a lot of time, going back through logs and figuring out who has been muting whom, and preparing reports for me, which I received today.
We don't like to fire off decisions without having reviewed the data, and we sometimes don't have the luxury of dropping everything we're doing, the instant the playerbase gets a dramatic panty-twist going on over something. It may take a week or two to percolate through the codebase and policy and emerge with clarity.
More will be coming in the next release. But for now:
If you use more than one account to stack mute votes against a single individual, we may remove your ability to vote, and/or mute you for abusive behaviour. Duh, this is clearly gaming the system. Don't do it.
If you vote mute people who aren't actually doing anything bad, we may also a take the same administrative action(s). Exercise common sense, if it isn't someone genuinely causing issues for the playerbase as a whole: leave them alone, or just ignore them.
As always, we will be contacting individuals who have been doing either or both of the above tactics, from the last few weeks. We will not say who they are, or mention anything else about our actions or choices. That's how it works. Adhere to the policy, and all will be well.
Heh. Entirely unrelated to the existence of this thread, Ray has been burning a lot of time, going back through logs and figuring out who has been muting whom, and preparing reports for me, which I received today.
We don't like to fire off decisions without having reviewed the data, and we sometimes don't have the luxury of dropping everything we're doing, the instant the playerbase gets a dramatic panty-twist going on over something. It may take a week or two to percolate through the codebase and policy and emerge with clarity.
More will be coming in the next release. But for now:
If you use more than one account to stack mute votes against a single individual, we may remove your ability to vote, and/or mute you for abusive behaviour. Duh, this is clearly gaming the system. Don't do it.
If you vote mute people who aren't actually doing anything bad, we may also a take the same administrative action(s). Exercise common sense, if it isn't someone genuinely causing issues for the playerbase as a whole: leave them alone, or just ignore them.
As always, we will be contacting individuals who have been doing either or both of the above tactics, from the last few weeks. We will not say who they are, or mention anything else about our actions or choices. That's how it works. Adhere to the policy, and all will be well.
And this is where a big rant starts about people saying "see? we knew it was all westy!" And then it turns out you didn't mean him at all.
I think your silence on the subject was better, but meh, that's just me.
I think your silence on the subject was better, but meh, that's just me.
I've got to disagree Yoda. This is the best way to deal with it.
1. It is actually possible to mute people.
2. Abusers get punitized (new word).
3. We get new words.
1. It is actually possible to mute people.
2. Abusers get punitized (new word).
3. We get new words.
I have to strongly disagree Savet. If this is pulling dev resources away from real development for weeks while they verify logs - and we all know how long it takes them to fix a simple bug - then I would rather deal with the puke that is 100.
Nobody will be penalised because each time a complaint is made, the devs have to spend weeks looking for who is right and who needs a spanking and so forth. Maybe instead of this they should change the way vo logs are time-stamped with local time, and change it to whatever freaky timezone Wisconsin falls into. Then they can just take the time from submitted logs rather than marry up times from differing logs sent to them from Bulgaria, Bolivia, the UK, pirate island and Disney land.
Want a new word? How about pedantic. Because anyone starting a mute war because they got told by "the current online community" they need to STFU for a couple of hours, and then rage quitting because they just couldn't wait it out is just that. A pedantic prick has taken away hours of real development time, and then a pedantic guild of pricks have taken away more.
Nobody will be penalised because each time a complaint is made, the devs have to spend weeks looking for who is right and who needs a spanking and so forth. Maybe instead of this they should change the way vo logs are time-stamped with local time, and change it to whatever freaky timezone Wisconsin falls into. Then they can just take the time from submitted logs rather than marry up times from differing logs sent to them from Bulgaria, Bolivia, the UK, pirate island and Disney land.
Want a new word? How about pedantic. Because anyone starting a mute war because they got told by "the current online community" they need to STFU for a couple of hours, and then rage quitting because they just couldn't wait it out is just that. A pedantic prick has taken away hours of real development time, and then a pedantic guild of pricks have taken away more.
1. "Pedantic" isn't a new word, whereas "punitized" is.
2. I don't think yoda knows what "pedantic" actually means.
2. I don't think yoda knows what "pedantic" actually means.
I thought it just meant someone who is like excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.
you know?
you know?
I turned off channel 100 years ago, and I get the impression a growing number of people are doing the same. Speaking only for myself, it does make my VO time more pleasant. I recommend it for people who are often annoyed by the content of channel 100.
I thought Incarnate's response was good. Abusers may lose the ability to vote-mute, and we never need to know who they are.
I thought Incarnate's response was good. Abusers may lose the ability to vote-mute, and we never need to know who they are.
@yodaofborg
I think you got it right.
I think you got it right.
Well now that you googled it and found its definition, you can see that you didn't use it correctly. Nobody started a /vote mute war because they are overly concerned with minor details or rules.