I keep reading all the post about the UDV being UIT Exclusive ship and the replies about UIT have other Exclusive ships that they can use.

The other ships mentioned are UIT but can be purchased by any other faction, so they are not exclusive.

I propose bringing all Factions in UIT up to where they should be according to the reading I have done. It is said that a hit on standings of one faction can cause a similar hit on other factions that players are admired by. I have not noticed this to be the case. You can keep it to where UIT must grind up standings with all the factions within UIT borders, while Serco and Itani only have to grind up one faction to have Admired or better access with any station within their borders. I propose that when you take a hit on UIT, or any faction within UIT space, you take a hit on ALL Factions within UIT borders.

Also, as for ships and equipment, I propose that all but the basic model of each ship class have the requirements for buying raised to above +600 so Serco and Itani can't buy them, or at least the top line of each ship type. The only exception would be the TPG Moth XC, since it is needed for Dent building. With this, all those other ships mentioned in the threads about buffing UDV would indeed be UIT exclusive ships.

And with it being required to take a hit on all factions within UIT borders when you "mis-behave", then a lot of the problems new players have with RATS attacking within UIT borders would be reduced.

If UIT is a Union, then it should act as a Union, even if loosely brought together.

No, just no.

No.

I can't wait for the people who whined about buffing the UDV to chirp in and -1 this :P It'd be the perfect deal: First complain the UIT don't need their Raptor buffed and listing pseudo exclusive ships and then coming here and screaming loud when there is danger that the UIT might have more than 1 excluse ship too. Hehe.

Anyway, it's a bit harsh, but I agree on UIT standing being connected with the other sub factions. Can't make the WTD exclusive though... The IBG and the SVG are not either and shouldn't be. But make the other Raptor class ships exclusive! +1 to that.

UIT is a loose federation of corporations. The shadow player behind this and pulling all the strings is definitely TPG.
Some factions like Axia and Valent have a corporate war and you just can't get POS status with both. Some factions like Biocom are inclined toward Serco and greyscale factions like Xang, Ineubis & Tunguska just don't care about anyone.

UIT control only a few stations so maybe, at least, UIT and TPG standing should be linked, i.e. if you lose standing with UIT, you lose standing with TPG too.

I also agree about ships - WTD & UDV should be nation specific and so should SVG and IBG.
Raising standing requirements above +600 is a good solution for all nation/faction specific ships.

P.S. I also urge devs to immediately remove all faction specific ships like valkyries, IBGs, SVGs and prometheuses from all UIT players inventories and vice versa for Serco and Itani players.

Frankly, you're all missing his point. (Well, bojansplash comes closest)

What he's talking about (albeit a bit loosely) is that faction relations are a matrix, not a linear scale. Where he got it wrong was in rigging it per the player's relationship to that faction. How it should work is an event impacting one faction should have an impact on ALL the factions based on those factions' political relationship. We've got some of that now with the linear scales between Serco/Itani and Axia/Valent. Instead of procedural rules, just make a matrix of the +/- impact an action has, then look it up as a multiple of the action impact value and apply.

That way, if you do something positive for a faction, you get positive (although likely much smaller) bounces for those factions getting along with it as well. Similarly with negative impacts. This way, we have to be cognizant of the political situation in the game as well as our own relationships.

I would however disagree that all currently owned nation specific ships should be removed from player's inventories. (and not just because I happen to have a few myself) It's just that some people spent money and time getting them, so should that effort be penalized? The arguments over compensations would be epic. Should we have an opportunity to remove the equipment from those ships? Should we receive credits equal to the purchase value of those ships (since we otherwise wouldn't have been buying them)? The list is extensive. It's just a lot simpler to say "No more for YOU!" Player's not being able to gain access to those ships aren't going to risk them after a while anyway and amounts to the same thing as revoking the ships. (just without things getting messy)

+1 Keller

My P.S. about removing ships was just a stab at the condescending hypocrite Sieger/Electricity and his stash of 1000+ SCPs and 1000 X-1s.
As a true UIT advocate fighting for more exclusive UIT ships he should sell his stashed proms and valks so we can take what he says seriously.

OP: the whole standing system is a little weird. and i'm quite sure the devs will completely work it over in future versions. so changes now won't do a lot.

@ Bojan: lol bojan you're clearly mad. i mean i know you were always an idiot, you always were back the day but that goes beyond common idiocy. not only is it stupidly rude to point at a player for whatever reason, the idea of taking shit from people they played for is even more stupid. did you get punked by Elec in PvP recently? the most people complaining about others and pointing whiningly at them is because they recently got kicked in the ass by that person :P

@ MrFakeAccountName/Sieger

Nothing wrong with being mad, it gives you an unique perspective on the world. :)

If I am being labeled 'mad/idiot/stupid' for calling hypocrite a hypocrite - so be it.

But, to answer your poorly worded question: no I did not get punked by Electricity (doubt you even know what "punk'd" means).

P.S Please don't mention 'back IN the day' because you were not there and don't really know what you are talking about.

Ho hum Bojan-Who? Seeing my alts everywhere now much like Dirty 'oRe? I've been called plenty and hyprocrite has rarely been among it. You certainly have something unique to yourself. You're a funny fella. Though, get in line with the people who try to damage my rep. You are not important enough for the pole position.

Absurd (my alt!!!): Nay I have not fought or "punked" bojan. In fact I don't even know that guy. But apparently he has been standing and despising me from afar.

Now lets get back on topic. Am i that important to distract a discussion?

@Sieger

I am a 'funny fella' and I am sorry if I offended you with my statement but I was never good at 'beating around the bush' diplomacy.
The only thing I pointed out is that you are a very big advocate for making UIT specific ships better and more exclusive while you are actually never using them and exclusively fly X-1s and SCPs.

It seemed like a good suggestion for you to get rid of your huge stash of proms and valks and actually start using UIT exclusive ships so your posts would carry more hubris and nobody will be able to call you a hypocrite.

How many different ways can we have the same conversation?

I always thought it didn't make much sense to be able to dock inside subfaction stations inside uit space whilst kos.

Some of them do operate in grey though and since there's shady shit going on with all these corps Id like to think they'd let you dock in their greyspace stations as long as you didn't have a faction beef with them

+1

Also you guys are quick to forget but uit is a loosely knit corporate faction group they're in it for the profits and they trade with both the itani and the servo they don't seem to have too much in the way of ethical consideration or nationalistic pride so why wouldn't they sell their best shit at the right price. so as far as factional exclusive ships it really doesn't make sense since their in it for the money and they dgaf about winning a ear or having the best tech.

Spidey has a point. A much more meaningful faction exclusive ship for the UIT would be an XC with a large port or two. It would certainly give UIT an advantage but definitely not a game-breaker. Especially if only one is added.

This would make sense using spideys logic because if UIT would sell this theoretical ship to Itani or Serco, it would give them the same advantage in building shit that UIT had. So it would somewhat make sense that UIT wouldn't want to sell this ship to Itani or Serco.

Let's just mkae the damn UIT happy already...

So if i understand well, you would need to have a uit standing in combination with your axia standing to get a wraith. The concept seems interesting, though i'd rather go to a station by station standing, so you could be admired here and hated there.
If i am ok for TPG and UIT to have exclusive ships, i am not so sure about subfactions, it would make UIT looks like just the same as serco or itani when it as a specific niche to fill.
Anyway +1 to any incentive to make me create a Gold Thirsty or a BT Sun, just dont make it too, you know, dull : )

Edit:
Maybe UIT natives standing could override subfactions standing, so a UIT character with POS could have access to both Axia and Valent ships when a serco or an itani would still have to chose between them.

Eesh I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

I always thought it didn't make much sense to be able to dock inside subfaction stations inside uit space whilst kos.

Last time I checked, you can't in Dau. This special case kind of leads me to believe that the lax enforcement in UIT space is intentional. The senate and UIT laws seem sort of toothless in a nation where big corporations own everything, cash is king, and laws are happily ignored as long as nobody's looking.

The no-docking-with-subfactions rule applies to capital systems (so in practice, Dau and Arta C.).

+1 Keller.