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Compulsory Duels
One minor flaw in the duel ranking system is that top ranked players have little reason to risk thier standing by dueling lower ranked players.
I will leave others to debate the merits and just add a few rules
/Duel Compel "Player Name"
Only a higher ranked player can be challenged
The defender must have a reasonable amount of time to prepare and respond
I am thinking 8 hours with both players in - game.
Defender chooses time and place (Drop down menu with a calender and so on.)
Challenger must also agree to time and place or duel is cancelled (Simple yes/No)
If only 1 player shows then they are the winner
If neither player shows then its a cancelled duel - nothing awarded
These rules are to prevent various abuses such as issuing a challenge to a player in an xc or when a player is low on armor.
I will leave others to debate the merits and just add a few rules
/Duel Compel "Player Name"
Only a higher ranked player can be challenged
The defender must have a reasonable amount of time to prepare and respond
I am thinking 8 hours with both players in - game.
Defender chooses time and place (Drop down menu with a calender and so on.)
Challenger must also agree to time and place or duel is cancelled (Simple yes/No)
If only 1 player shows then they are the winner
If neither player shows then its a cancelled duel - nothing awarded
These rules are to prevent various abuses such as issuing a challenge to a player in an xc or when a player is low on armor.
lol
no. just no.
If I'm flying around in my trident and someone /duel compels me, it might take 15 or 30 minutes to get back to M-7, trade out for a fighter (a HUGE inconvenience), all the while at any moment I could be called away from the game, thereby forfeiting a duel I would have declined. No. And I'm not making dates for another session.
Make the Ladder drop inactive duelists a lot sooner (1 mo instead of what is it now? 3? 6?) and don't let them back on the list until someone has challenged THEM (i.e. they can't challenge their way back onto the list). If you really want to prevent abuse, make it so /duels cannot be issued to clients on the same IP string, so multi-boxers can't duel themselves.
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Only a higher ranked player can be challenged
This should be the case for all ranked duels. The Heavyweight Champ shouldn't be able to go calling out the Flyweight Rookie.
If I'm flying around in my trident and someone /duel compels me, it might take 15 or 30 minutes to get back to M-7, trade out for a fighter (a HUGE inconvenience), all the while at any moment I could be called away from the game, thereby forfeiting a duel I would have declined. No. And I'm not making dates for another session.
Make the Ladder drop inactive duelists a lot sooner (1 mo instead of what is it now? 3? 6?) and don't let them back on the list until someone has challenged THEM (i.e. they can't challenge their way back onto the list). If you really want to prevent abuse, make it so /duels cannot be issued to clients on the same IP string, so multi-boxers can't duel themselves.
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Only a higher ranked player can be challenged
This should be the case for all ranked duels. The Heavyweight Champ shouldn't be able to go calling out the Flyweight Rookie.
PaKettle, are you trying to break Alloh's record or something?
Uh CD you would have 8 hours in game to respond and set a time and place. - The trident scenario is one of many reasons why it couldnt be immediate.
The requirement would prevent players from simply running up the ladder and then sitting there unchallenged.
Preventing people from dueling isnt a good idea and dueling a lower ranked person gets you very little under the system that is in place.
The requirement would prevent players from simply running up the ladder and then sitting there unchallenged.
Preventing people from dueling isnt a good idea and dueling a lower ranked person gets you very little under the system that is in place.
No. This is stupid beyond words. The duel conditions should not be set by one player, and another player be forced to accept. Just no.
Uh CD you would have 8 hours in game to respond and set a time and place.
Uh, I have a 4 year old... you think I can plan on ANY of my sessions anymore? If terms of a duel cannot be agreed to and the fight can't be had within 15 minutes, then there is no duel. Your suggestion smells of way to many abuses.
The duel conditions should not be set by one player, and another player be forced to accept.
This. (did I just agree with Kierky?)
An option: anyone currently on the duel ladder who repeatedly declines duels with a person within a few ranks of them (say 3-5) be dropped from the ladder until they duel that challenger. maybe 3 declines/no response in an hour with a minimum interval of a few minutes. A non-response from a docked pilot would not count as an avoidance, to prevent abusing an afk player. There would still need to be an alternate way to reinstate them on the ladder, to avoid someone invoking the drop, then logging.
Issuing duel point penalties seems completely abusable, and if someone like Maalik came back and didn't care to be on the ladder, he should still be able to live in retirement with his legendary total score.
Uh, I have a 4 year old... you think I can plan on ANY of my sessions anymore? If terms of a duel cannot be agreed to and the fight can't be had within 15 minutes, then there is no duel. Your suggestion smells of way to many abuses.
The duel conditions should not be set by one player, and another player be forced to accept.
This. (did I just agree with Kierky?)
An option: anyone currently on the duel ladder who repeatedly declines duels with a person within a few ranks of them (say 3-5) be dropped from the ladder until they duel that challenger. maybe 3 declines/no response in an hour with a minimum interval of a few minutes. A non-response from a docked pilot would not count as an avoidance, to prevent abusing an afk player. There would still need to be an alternate way to reinstate them on the ladder, to avoid someone invoking the drop, then logging.
Issuing duel point penalties seems completely abusable, and if someone like Maalik came back and didn't care to be on the ladder, he should still be able to live in retirement with his legendary total score.
You must have misread it, Kierky. The one who has received the challenge would be the one who sets the conditions, and the challenger would then have the option of declining those conditions without penalty. So if I challenged you and you chose somewhere silly like Eo where I'm KOS or a time when I'd be unavailable, I could cancel it. Which could be used as a tactic to try to get out of a duel, if you know the challenger well enough that you can pick someplace or sometime impossible for him to do.
PaK: When you say "8 hours with both players in - game", you mean that if either player logs off the clock would stop ticking until they are both online at the same time again, right?
If so, that means that CD's concern is misplaced. If she were challenged, she could select the time to be in the next 15 minutes. Or, if she is about to leave, she can just ignore it and log out, and the next time both her and the challenger are online at the same time again, she could then set the time for the next 15 minutes. Eight hours of both players being online at the same time is plenty of time.
So, assuming I haven't misunderstood anything, +1.
PaK: When you say "8 hours with both players in - game", you mean that if either player logs off the clock would stop ticking until they are both online at the same time again, right?
If so, that means that CD's concern is misplaced. If she were challenged, she could select the time to be in the next 15 minutes. Or, if she is about to leave, she can just ignore it and log out, and the next time both her and the challenger are online at the same time again, she could then set the time for the next 15 minutes. Eight hours of both players being online at the same time is plenty of time.
So, assuming I haven't misunderstood anything, +1.
To allow any 4th level newb or alt to basically subpoena the top duelists is lame. Many of us don't want tons of wins against rank 900-1000 pilots on our records. So if indeed you can imagine the devs coding 8-hour countdowns contingent on both parties being logged in concurrently, where they now have a 2-minute countdown that is cancelled if a player leaves sector, please make it only possible for 1 outstanding duel compel to be in effect on a player, and please make it so that you may only compel a player within a few ranks of you on the duel ladder, or a set range of points above you in points.
Imagine the inevitable 4th level vet alt duel-compelling everyone he sees to gather up points, only to feed them to his friends or alts.
What the duel system needs is honor, which has been sadly lacking of late. This will only arm the less honorable with a weapon of annoyance.
Besides, PaK... if you wanted to dance, just ask ;)
Imagine the inevitable 4th level vet alt duel-compelling everyone he sees to gather up points, only to feed them to his friends or alts.
What the duel system needs is honor, which has been sadly lacking of late. This will only arm the less honorable with a weapon of annoyance.
Besides, PaK... if you wanted to dance, just ask ;)
This is stupid beyond words.
My words exactly.
Range restrictions do make sense, good idea. So does limiting the number of challenges you can have outstanding (I assumed it already worked like that).
Actually i'm going to bring our prime minister in on this suggestion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Vw7tQztpk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Vw7tQztpk
Limiting it to only players within 500 points or so would be an easy matter and easily adjusted if the need arises
Restricting the number of challenges to once per month would also work.
The goal is to force the upper players to actively defend thier positions from time to time.
Obviously having to constantly deal with too many would make the whole duel system undesireable.
With 8 hours in game to select the locale and so on the only real restriction is ensuring the challenger has enough time to show up at the chosen site. Since the Challenger can decline at this point 30 minutes in real time would be plenty of notice.
Restricting the number of challenges to once per month would also work.
The goal is to force the upper players to actively defend thier positions from time to time.
Obviously having to constantly deal with too many would make the whole duel system undesireable.
With 8 hours in game to select the locale and so on the only real restriction is ensuring the challenger has enough time to show up at the chosen site. Since the Challenger can decline at this point 30 minutes in real time would be plenty of notice.
Damn it PaK, I thought it was bad when I agreed with Nahin... now I am forced to agree with Kierky?
Fuck Alloh's record... you're shooting for nothing short of PoL... and on that note, I invoke the Allohtonian Victory Principle.
Go play in the closet and distribute crated candies to the monsters.
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Fuck Alloh's record... you're shooting for nothing short of PoL... and on that note, I invoke the Allohtonian Victory Principle.
Go play in the closet and distribute crated candies to the monsters.
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Sweethearts ye can do anything with the duel command or ladder, as long as, as i have never be engaged in a duel, i am not forced to accept one.
Consensual fights sux ballz, and so do the duels.
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Consensual fights sux ballz, and so do the duels.
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