TGFT is supporting Itan because a player that doesnt even play anymore said he got attacked and had higher serco standing.

There's some solid grounds right there.

Also we don't care about the reasons why, nobody cares what the reasons are. All that matters is if it is occurring, and if it does occur then we must act on it.

Espionage, they're supporting us because no one likes you.
Besides, if they're our puppets, why don't they attack BR1? Why don't they participate in CtC?

They do attack BR1 and they do participate in CtC. Look at the ctc scoreboard last week.

Thank you for your admission of itani support, from two members of Tgft it's about time!

When I maintain a Pillar of Society standing with Serco, and you have to repair your faction standing with your own nation because you are on their Kill on Sight list I don't think I have to say any more about that, it speaks for itself.

Itan has the common sense to ask for help, and so some of our members have agreed to provide it. RED has chosen to make war instead of asking for help, and it doesn't matter what we think, RED attacks us.

I think your mental illness is hiding the fact from you that I have defended myself from unprovoked attacks from members of RED, including you. You also fail to mention that on more than one occasion I have let you and other members of your pirate group repair your faction standing in any number of stations without taking out your moth XCs, as easy as a target as they are. I try to turn the other check, and lead by example, yet when you have smacked both checks, do not expect me to sit by and let you continue to practice your criminal behavior against me.

TGFT is a neutral guild, we have member from all nations. Just because you want an excuse to take on the rest of the world doesn't mean we are not neutral. All of our members are free to make any business deal or transaction as they see fit, we do not say do not deal with RED. You even admit that we have members in our guild that are Serco, as you have stated that you don't shoot at those members in other threads. It is your own actions that are preventing us from being neutral with RED, and don't pretend otherwise, it is a choice you have made. I did not make that choice for you.

What plug-in? Are you sure it is not published by RED? And how would you know it is a TGFT plug-in, unless you have joined TGFT and used it yourself? And who is to say that we forced ITAN to use it, and what is it doing? Showing that someone is using a plug-in to target an asteroid - wow, that is really criminal, lol. Come on, you can do better than that can't you?

I am dealing in facts, as the evidence proves, while you continue to deal with your self-serving thoughts, that prove your own theorems to be true to none other than yourself, and your RED minions.

I'm not sure where you got this idea that I'm KOS with the Dominion from, but its factually incorrect. The rest of the post is also factually incorrect.

Thank you for correcting me about your status with Serco. I guess that I just assumed that when someone who is already hated by the Serco nation attacks an unarmed trading vessel having the status of Admire would almost instantly become KoS, since your unprovoked attack occurred in monitored Serco space. Nice that you have such luck that it did not turn out that way, and sense I left without a ship, I wasn't able to confirm my assumption.

The fact remains that I like the idea presented in this thread. And I think it would play out the way I have stated. So TRS, what do you think of the OP?

> Espionage, they're supporting us because no one likes you.

Pssh, Espy is awesome. Don't blame TGFT's actions on your own personal bias against Serco. Regardless, if TGFT are supporting Itani merely because of a personal distaste for Espy, then our actions against TGFT are entirely warranted and nullifies everyone's claim that we are "pirates" for attacking so called "neutral" guilds. You can't have it both ways, you know.

> Besides, if they're our puppets, why don't they attack BR1? Why don't they participate in CtC?

They do both of those. There isn't even an attempt to hide their support of Itani. TGFT members compete in CtC all the time, in blatant disrespect for their own guilds rules. Has the TGFT brainwashing propaganda been hitting you too hard?

Alexandria, what are you smoking? I've never seen them attack BR1 or the CtC.
And I was half-joking when I said "Espionage, no one likes you."
However, this half-joke is much more true after Espionage's actions of shooting an EMS yesterday.

According to the CtC page, Ecka himself had a CtC kill last week. Doesn't say which side it was for though.

Me shooting an EMS is not an outrageous action, the EMS taking a side and forcing me to enforce the breach of neutrality is the outrageous action.

Why don't you silly haters make an actual thread "We hate RED" or something instead of hijacking other people's suggestions threads with this RP nonsense.

So Esp/TRS, what do you think of the original post, and the idea of being able to do shady things? Maybe even truly promote the underground faction of this game?

He already responded to the OP with a +1, well before you started derailing things.

@Pizzasgood: That is almost as funny as how I got my one and only PK. Yes, I had a monitor bot sitting outside a station just watching the world go by. It was an EC-89, and only had a free engine in it, not even a mineral scanner. A couple people hatched a great idea, I'll give them credit for it. One started shooting at the other, to get then down to maybe 4% or less. Then they positioned themselves to destroy my free bus, and in the process as my bus exploded I would get the killing shot on the second person. So, my one and only PK comes from me being in an unarmed ship. LOL

As I don't participate in Capture the Cargo I am not sure how it works. I am guessing it is Serco vs Itania, and in a given sector. So, if one of the combatants where to break off from their main objective and attack a person just passing through the sector, then I can see how the person passing by could get a CtC kill. I am guessing you are not going to let someone shoot you for just passing through a sector are you? So, ok, as I have already stated, I don't do CtC, so I am not sure, yet it does remind me of my one and only credited PK.

@Pizzasgood: Sorry, missed your response, was busy typing up my own at the same time.

"He already responded to the OP with a +1, well before you started derailing things."

Derailing? I was offering suggestions based on the current state of play as I see in the game. Some people took offense at my honest statements and observations, which expanded upon the OP's ideas, and they proceeded to respond accordingly. I think you must mean those others that look through the rose-colored glasses, so I won't take offense. Enjoy.

Pizzasgood, I haven't seen that on the Cargo Captures page yet, however I'll continue to check it out. Sorry if I got something wrong, though. However, I'm pretty damn sure TGFT isn't pro Itani - many of their members are admired with the Serco.
And Mick the Mighty, please stop. You're borderline whining. Espionage is an ass, but an honorable enemy. I like what he brings to the game.

It's not hard to find. You just go to the "Cargo Captures" page and click on the left arrow next to the title to go back a week, then scroll down to the UIT section. I don't really pay any attention to CtC, but TGFT members do have a tendency to pop up on it from time to time.

If I remember rightly from the last time this came up, the official stance TGFT gave was that individual members can participate on either side, but the guild itself does not. Or something like that. But it's possible I'm confusing that with some other guild, and of course the individual members of TGFT are rarely ever on the same page about this kind of thing.

Mick: CtC kills only refer to killing peaceful transports that never attack you and only fly as fast as they can through the sector toward their destination. The transports do usually have escorts who will attack anybody who has a standing of Hated or KOS with their faction, but such people are obviously not neutral, and defending yourself from the escorts doesn't give you the kill stat anyway.

Perhaps the occasional incident with CtC would be permissible if the TGFT leadership would actually recognize it as wrongdoing, but instead when asked about it they respond with 'get stuffed'.

Nawww Snk <3

Sincerely, thank you Pizzasgood, as I don't participate in the CtC, I do not know the mechanisms behind it. I have not taken the time to look on vo-wiki.com either, as I know I am not a fighter, just a trader or miner.

> Our members are not allowed to join the military of either nation, nor to engage in nationalist combat activities like Border Patrol, Border Skirmish, and Capture the Cargo.

Straight from the TGFT website. There's no grey area about it, it's flat out not allowed. Unless it helps progress the Itani nation, of course.