Really Savet? There's a reason they're unique to the nations.

Otherwise, we'd be seeing Esp flying a valk.

Then let him fly a valk. There needs to be a way in game to get restricted ships for insane credits.

I agree, as long as there is some type of penalty for buying them or a major restriction on who can buy them.

To sum up the gigantic thread of mine that Tarenty linked (thank you for finding it!):

Proms:

1 v 1 = OP

Group Fights = Handicapped

Valks:

1 v 1 = Better than most other ships, but inferior to skyprom.

Group Fights = OP

Lots of good suggestions for fixes in that old thread. The best of which I think is to give the Serco a ship that fills the valk role and give the Itani a ship that fills the prom role. They should still be DIFFERENT SHIPS though so as not to move towards homogenizing the entire game. ie) they should fill the roles differently, but still fill them.

There are a large number of balance issues but Untill the target slows down a bit This should be tabled along with the 50 other suggestions currently pending.....

Sigh... if these clueless noobs only knew what the SCP used to be like, or how many nerfs it's already had.

But yeah, what Ghost said.

I shudder when I think of the old ones. Even in a 2v1 it was likely to kill at least one of the attackers. 2 SCPs vs 3-4 other ships was pretty much an even fight.

That and I have very bad memories of Amarus and his Jack/Sunflare SCP.

But yeah, you really can't nerf the SCP anymore as it's already one of the hardest ships to fly in group combat. Everyone needs to resist the urge to balance the game around 1v1 combat.

Back when [SCAR] Mk 1 was formed, we'd field 2-4 SCPs in B-8 and with a mix of suns/gats and suns/jacks layouts would demolish the opposing group of 4-6+ [IDF] pilots for a couple hours while only occasionally losing a prom.

An old charging rocket prom with 16 suns/12 jacks could easily smoke a couple valks (maybe a Rev C/IBG, too, if you were lucky) that were ganking another SCP, and the charging SCP would lose maybe 40% of its armor in the unholy explosive barrage.

I distinctly remember dying many times in the above situation. Ah the good old days =)

I forgot about the old IBG though. Before the size increase, those things were pretty OP too. Remember when they used to be better than a valk?

Oh how I hated those tiny, side-slipping little tin cans. And how good it felt to one-shot them on rare occasion with a quadrail hornet.

Oh look, it is this thread again.