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Right now the total volume of the items required for 1 FCP (Fused Composite Plating) is 208 cu. This is very annoying. If it were reduced to under 200 cu it would make it a bit easier to make.
It would be better if it required 18 OHP (Outer Hull Plate) instead of 20. Then the total volume would be 196.
This shouldn't be very hard to fix right?
It would be better if it required 18 OHP (Outer Hull Plate) instead of 20. Then the total volume would be 196.
This shouldn't be very hard to fix right?
+1 ..... And also fix the weight of FCP, as suggested elsewhere.
I suggested this a while back.. it's not the components, it's the damned weight of transporting it.
I would support the items cutback if the module size was reduced to 100cu.
I would support the items cutback if the module size was reduced to 100cu.
They already did reduce the reqs and size of it once.
The mass of that thing is totally wrong though, it's more than double the mass of it's component parts... Here's the breakdown I posted on the bugs forum a while back:
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/2/25247
The mass of that thing is totally wrong though, it's more than double the mass of it's component parts... Here's the breakdown I posted on the bugs forum a while back:
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/2/25247
This is the same for the FFSSA.
10450 kgs is total mass of all component parts.
15000 kgs is mass of 1 FFSSA.
Now usually when you consider the Law of Conservation of Mass, the mass of the products = mass of reactants.
This means, sure mass can be lost during a manufacturing process, but it cannot be increased by such a large amount. It's a whole 50% increase in mass for the manufacturing process. Something is wrong.
+1 for mass all component parts >= mass of module of whatever is manufactured.
10450 kgs is total mass of all component parts.
15000 kgs is mass of 1 FFSSA.
Now usually when you consider the Law of Conservation of Mass, the mass of the products = mass of reactants.
This means, sure mass can be lost during a manufacturing process, but it cannot be increased by such a large amount. It's a whole 50% increase in mass for the manufacturing process. Something is wrong.
+1 for mass all component parts >= mass of module of whatever is manufactured.
The extra mass comes from the angst of the people trying to build it.
Yes they should fix that as well.
How about External Hull Assembly, Reinforced Bulkhead, Internal Bulkhead Assembly etc.? Is the mass to big for those too?
How about External Hull Assembly, Reinforced Bulkhead, Internal Bulkhead Assembly etc.? Is the mass to big for those too?
Lol rin.
I don't know, Garvin, it would be nice if they were too.
I don't know, Garvin, it would be nice if they were too.
Kierky, there's a Law of Conservation of Mass? Where'd you get YOUR Physics degrees? ;)
Nevertheless, I would agree here that for any and all the manufactured items, simple wastage from the machining of the parts would result in the final products having less mass than the sum of the components which make them.
Nevertheless, I would agree here that for any and all the manufactured items, simple wastage from the machining of the parts would result in the final products having less mass than the sum of the components which make them.
Equivalent to the Conservation of energy, since energy and mass are rumoured interchangeable.
Plasteel, Vis-metal and silksteel all defy what we know as elements.
STFU about Physics. Until worm holes are real, and we are all in space ships shooting each other, Physics means shit.
Newbs.
STFU about Physics. Until worm holes are real, and we are all in space ships shooting each other, Physics means shit.
Newbs.
Thats Chemistry yoda. :)
We have to start somewhere. This is set in the future, and it should have alloys to match. There are limitless possibilities why we have not found an element yet.
And as far as I have learned, the Laws of physics still apply, and have not been disproved in the backstory? Yah.
It's not like you have to know physics to play the game, it's simply just a background law to keep things in perspective.
If we can visually determine that there is physically something wrong with the mass of all components being less than that of the finished product, then there is something wrong with the obvious physics of it.
It's a simple solution, with a simple implementation...
We have to start somewhere. This is set in the future, and it should have alloys to match. There are limitless possibilities why we have not found an element yet.
And as far as I have learned, the Laws of physics still apply, and have not been disproved in the backstory? Yah.
It's not like you have to know physics to play the game, it's simply just a background law to keep things in perspective.
If we can visually determine that there is physically something wrong with the mass of all components being less than that of the finished product, then there is something wrong with the obvious physics of it.
It's a simple solution, with a simple implementation...
You just have to use a lot of solder and superglue to assemble them, and that adds mass.
Lecter I see yer way off in left field again.....
On topic - some refining / manufacturing processes do in fact result in a net gain of materials
On topic - some refining / manufacturing processes do in fact result in a net gain of materials
Professionally, I'm off the charts to be sure; educationally, it's right field, sweetie.
PaKettle: What real-world refining/manufacturing process leads to a net gain in materials?
@Lescter: Law is just a subset of applied sociology...
@Pak/ARF: Magic and Law only, probably...
That is a basic principle. If you add soldering and glue, those must come from somewhere, and should be requested by mission.
Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_conservation
Historically, the principle of mass conservation, discovered by Antoine Lavoisier in the late 18th century, was of crucial importance in changing alchemy into the modern natural science of chemistry.
@Pak/ARF: Magic and Law only, probably...
That is a basic principle. If you add soldering and glue, those must come from somewhere, and should be requested by mission.
Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_conservation
Historically, the principle of mass conservation, discovered by Antoine Lavoisier in the late 18th century, was of crucial importance in changing alchemy into the modern natural science of chemistry.
That would assume we're enacting and interpreting laws based off some sort of sociological theory about how law should work in human societies. Trust me, aside from the damn dirty hippies at Berkeley and the other Critical Legal Studies airheads, we don't. Law is studied by sociologists, not vice versa. But as I implied above, my education prior to law school was on the far right side of the spectrum: math, formal logic, physics, and chemistry.
That said, it's sort of hard to disagree with the critique of FCP mass being 1+1=3.
That said, it's sort of hard to disagree with the critique of FCP mass being 1+1=3.
Newtonian physics has its laws. Most of them have been broken by Quantum physics. Almost nothing is a universal truth, even mass conservation. Yes, I've studied it and it makes sense, but when things start breaking the speed of light, anything seems possible...