Yup...

1) They're not using it up there, anyways.

2) The people who need it can't dock there.

3) It makes much more sense that TPG's more advanced ship should be placed down in grey space, justified RP-wise by having illegal parts available and justified balance-wise by putting candies on the closet but that's where the crated monsters are.

first off the raptor MkII is a fairly good escort ship that new players can use, and dau is much more new player friendly than latos.

"justified RP-wise by having illegal parts available"
that really doesn't sound like the the TPG.

"2) The people who need it can't dock there."
perhaps they should have though about that before they became pirates/griefers.

I like the idea that becoming a pirate/griefer means that there are somethings that you can't have with out some diplomacy at the lest on the part of the pirate/griefer; so that it is more of a choice. It also makes being a pirate rather than a griefer more attractive because unless you are very resourceful, pissing off everyone in the 'verse will end in you being ill prepared for some situations.

Why not have it in both stations?

If newbies don't leave UIT space by 4/4/-/-/- and having the sufficient TPG standing then I have no idea what's wrong with them. Players should be lured out to grey with promises of better equipment.

Again with the grouping pirates and griefers in the same category. You guys really don't give up do you? You're like the Bush administration insisting that Iraq had WMDs even after that accusation been proven completely false (more so, proven to be a fabrication).

Find a new line already, even the stupid people aren't listening to you anymore.

Come on, glama. We've been over this, and we as a community have moved on. Now set aside your petty agenda and see if you can't catch up with us.

Back on topic: I agree that the Raptor MkII should be available in Latos. I'm not entirely convinced it should be removed from Dau though.

ShankTank, I'm not sure I agree that 4/4/-/-/- is a particularly high level, given that escort and skirmishes become available at combat 3. but, assuming that it is high enough to make a productive trip into gray, not everyone is into piracy/gray Trading. There is a lot to VO besides gray space, especially for players you are not heavily into combat.

theratt10, I don't see anything wrong with having it in both; but I also don't see an emanate need to either. It would however, be quite convenient.

Both sounds perfectly fine to me. Sorry, I didn't notice that theratt10 posted right before me and it completely changed the meaning of the post lol. And flyinglama, you can buy any specialty nation fighter (IBG, Rev C, SVG, CV), dual N2s, and a heavy cell at 4/4/-/-/- (which is my grey bread and butter). Although it would seem reasonable that the Raptor 2 get bumped up to 5/5/-/-/- (as the Raptor 1 is also 4/4/-/-/-).

Agree with Chaakin. I am REALLY VERY tired to fly everytime to Dau TPG Capital when i need raptor mk2 in grey! This ship is really for grey-space-use, not for botting-queening-trading-mining in nation's capitol :( And there are folks who are UIT KOS, even i sometimes think about getting UIT KOS, it's pretty hard for them to get mk2, while they can be POS to TPG. Looks like some sort of limit for red/blue/unaligned players :(

yes everything good ship should only be availble to those with high nation standing and the pirate/greifers get nothing yeah....not

Simply put it in every TPG station. Makes more sense. Even mining stations dispatches ore convoys that need escort crossing ion storms!

And make its radar work exactly equal on foggy sectors.

Ok, at the moment, I think it should stay... Yes, there should be a version that is available in grey space, but the high end stuff should remain in the capital more often. I know its very convenient, but it doesn't make say... Serco's capital ship seem so especially 'capital' if you can get it just about anywhere in Serco space. Also, sometimes you should have to go out of your way to get the ship you need. Not the basic ones, obviously, but those like the Raptor Mk2 with its special features, yes. I can't imagine that being easy to build in badly equipped stations.

I don't think we should get started on the whole pirates/greifers not getting all the ships/addons things now. There is still a faction redux in the works, and we have no idea how it will turn out.. It may end up fixing the problem for us. Either way, just to put my view in on that, if there are a lot more restrictions to pirates greifers, which, RP wise, there would be, there should be a difficult way of gaining them illegally, or a different class of illegal, more chase oriented ships available only to those proven as pirates. Its not fair to push people into the corner! Again, we shouldn't go crazy about this now, the current faction system really won't allow for this.

Also, isn't fog completely different to an ion storm? There should still be some variation.

Also, isn't fog completely different to an ion storm? There should still be some variation.

Yes, it is.

pirates/greifers

Seriously? We just had this conversation earlier in this very thread.

there should be a difficult way of gaining them illegally

Allowing players to transfer ship ownership would fix this. From an RP standpoint, though, just about every ship and weapon that exists, and some additional improved 'illegal' ones should be sold at Odia M-14 at 120%-200% normal price depending on the item, but only to people who are KOS with their native faction and have at least 950 Corvus standing. However, we're getting side tracked.

The TPG station in Latos is one of the best-supplied TPG stations in the galaxy, due to its accessible location in Greyspace. It's close to good ores and right on the main trade lanes between UIT and Serco space to deep grey. Also, it makes more sense to test experimental ships like the Raptor MkII in grey. Even TPG would prefer to keep R&D somewhere that they don't have the UIT government and other companies breathing down their necks.

EDIT: Sorry, added the last bit while you were responding.

Aye, I agree on your last point. Maybe the price is a tad low (or its just in perspective with me trading all the time) for being able to get a ship from a supposedly dishonest company who'd want to make a lot of money from your inability to get it normally, but still, maybe thats just me.

Also, I apologize about the 'pirates/greifers' thing. I did not mean to generalize about one being the other - They're pretty different.

Corvus doesn't make their profit by exploiting pirates, they make their profit by working with pirates. The 120%-200% simply represents the cost of smuggling the stuff out of nation space, or reverse-engineering it for manufacture at Corvus facilities.

Those illegally-purchased ships will, of course, be used to peel the hulls off of UIT shipping convoys, and the juicy insides will be sold to Corvus at very reasonable prices. There's where they make a lot of money.

ugh are you guys all morons or just don't know how the governments work? They ALWAYS buy the cheapest thing and only except contracts from the lowest bidder that means they WILL NOT have the most high end equipment for their soldiers. It is usually independent 3rd party companies that engage in things that governments are either against or stand a chance in losing a lot of they are found out. So it only makes sense for ineubus grey space tpg corvus XX aoelus and tunguska to have the most advanced ships because they are out of the public eye.

Ok, I put the Raptor MkII in Latos N-15 (TPG station), for the same price, license and factional requirements that it is in Dau. It'll be more conveniently accessible, but still have the same fundamental reqs.

If this is.. bad, in some way, let me know I guess.

Sounds good to me. Thanks inc.