You should have one.

How would that work exactly? We tend to be pretty divisive on here, everyone editing willy-nilly might be a bit chaotic.

We do have a design wiki, that can only be written by the devs, but it's not currently public as it doesn't have enough Stuff in it.

It'd be a repository for ideas canvassed here, and will help keep everyone on the same page regarding the latest collective thinking and official standing on ideas- basically it does what the various stickies do now, only the form won't be naturally conflicting with the function.

You'd need to focus on diversity I suppose- so long as conflicting ideas are presented alongside each other instead of competitors deleting each others works, it would work quite well I imagine. Other than that it would work as any Wiki does- through the goodwill of the many.

A better search function, and noobs smart/motivated enough to use it, would be a far better solution. But it's cute to hear someone say "the latest collective thinking and official standing on ideas" and "the goodwill of the many" with a straight face.

The community cannot operate a wiki? A sad statement.

I repeat that the forum, any forum, is not the right format for cataloging information, just as wiki discussion pages likewise face the same issue. Combine the two and you have a far better system- no search function can compete, and no inexplicably enlightened people required.

the forum, any forum, is not the right format for cataloging information

As much as I like wikipedia on occasion, it's this sort of moronic attitude that makes me want to burn servers to the ground.

Care to extrapolate on that?

It's not impossible, but it might strain at organization a bit. The various stickies on here are maintained by the guides, not the player base, which is why they retain some basic degree of organisation. Some motivated players could probably catalog some "common" thread links into given places, but there would likely remain a lot of contention over what "version" to write, and what was "official".

Unlike most wiki usage, where one can go and look up the given facts, the data on here is quite tenuous and opinion driven: there are 20 different ways of doing everything. With the exception of my opinion, which is backed by the fact that I happen to define what goes in the game. But the latter would be well served by my simply releasing a wiki that shows what I'm putting into the game.

I dunno. Unlike Lecter, I think it a player-suggestion-wiki could have some merit. It's one of those things that could either work, to some extent, or tear itself apart. If someone wants to try it, more power to them. I have enough wikis to work on as it is.

Short version: you'd have to be an idiot to think that a reasonable cost/benefit analysis of the available options related to your suggestion (new wiki, enhanced search function + don't be a lazy noob signage, or do nothing at all) leads to "new wiki" even being in the top two, much less so overwhelming as to justify your foregoing statement about forums.

If you want to do it yourself, knock yourself out. I predict that it sinks without a trace.

To clarify incarnate, my use of the word 'official' before related to what you guys were putting in the game, suggestions implemented and what you thought about various suggestions, as crops up now in the stickies. My initial reaction to there being twenty ways to do something is to let them write the twenty ways- so long as its kept concise and up to date.

Lecter, what has the practicality of creating a wiki now got to do with the simple fact that discussion forums naturally fossilize information under their own weight, and that the efforts of a few commendable souls cannot compete with the edits and interest of many?

As for practicality, seems a simple matter of using the wiki already available...

If everyone could edit the suggestions forum, I would make all of Lecter's suggestions have misspelled words and horrible grammar, along with references to gay horse porn.(1)

I would fully expect the same treatment from him and quite possibly other pillars of the community such as genka, tumble, peyclown, et. al.

So, no, the suggestions forum should not be a free-for all wiki, it's kind of fine the way it is. How about just a better-organized forums board without user editing of other's posts/contributions?

(1) For the record, I know nothing about gay horse porn, nor do I wish to research it.

I'm not advocating the replacement of the forum with a wiki LeberMac, more of an ally to it. I wouldn't want it to have attribution on the pages themselves, considering the cooperative and fluid nature of wikis.

Can we just settle this suggestion with "not happening, at least not for a long, long time"? Between getting the community behind it (as you can see it isn't), and the time to set up such a thing... we have a non-starter.

Of course, keep the ideas coming... all I'm saying is let's let this one die.

Well, if Wagden wants to talk to the various vo-wiki people and see if they'll let him experimentally do it there, himself, I'd say.. rock on.

Also, I'm curious if leber's gay horse porn involves gay horses or.. gay.. I dunno. Maybe I'll just not think about that anymore.

Thank you genka. Everything is going to be ok now.

What Leber is saying, actually, is that he'd just rewrite all my entries in his own words.

we have vo-wiki. I don't see any problem with you doing what every with it. go for it.

leber might rewrite everything that lecter writes, but that is ok, because wikis have ways of dealing with trouble makers.

You already have the tools. stop talking and get to work.

P.S. there are already a lot of things out of date or incorrect about the wiki. fix them.

P.P.S.S. submit a daily report on your progress to this thread.