Flares are heavy enough as is, there's no need to say that 1000kg is the mass of an empty tube of sunflares, for example, and that a full tube of 12 sunflares weighs in at, say, 1600kg. That's a massive nerf. A fully loaded tube of suns currently weighs 1000kg--it should drop as flares are expended, thus allowing people to choose to fly with fewer flares in exchange for a lower total mass.

It would be a massive nerf to use the current weight as the base weight of an empty launcher. But it would be a massive buff to use the current weight as the maximum weight.

But it would be a massive buff to use the current weight as the maximum weight.

No, how much of a buff it would be depends upon how heavy the ammo winds up being.

No, how much of a buff it would be depends upon how heavy the ammo winds up being.

Fair enough, but that argument goes both ways. For example, a weight difference of 200kg either way would be equally buffy or nerfy.

Just invented two new words. No big deal.

12 flares 1000kg 6 flares 500kg 1 flare 83,3 kg
No nerf no buff, but logic
Access only in Itani station research. why? heh i'm Itani
And stop plz with the flares, i Have seen the same with the warrior of the WOW,nerf nerf and nerf cry cry and cry
15 flares,12 flares 9 flares...etc
Flares = avallon to finish it and replace it with bubllegum

No more drugs for that man.

heh, id like to triple the dose and set him loose in a department store.

hm, maybe it would be better to do an alternative approach to this whole discussion: rename flares to "swarm missiles" and add "flares" as they're used in real life - as homing missile counter-measures? meaning that the homing missiles will fly towards the swarm and detonate there instead of at the players ship, because the swarm projectiles have a much higher temperature.

could be be implemented for swarm countermeasures too, but only if the detonation radius is lowered.

i guess this shouldn't be that painful for current swarm users, because the one using flares still has "wasted" one small weapon slot (or even large weapon slot?).

maybe this could keep down that whole "swarms are unfair/imbalanced" discussion a bit, because this wouldn't imply a change to how the swarms react at all =)

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I have never understood why widowmakers have grid 18 (wtf?!) while flares have grid 4.

Give 8 or 10 to both, solved.

Because one particular Dev has the strangest ideas about weapons balance I have ever, ever seen. The quest to prevent levels/hard work from ever translating into a combat advantage is sorta cute, but gets really fucking old the longer you stay around and the more bored you become.

^^^^ truth

oh yeah w/e i don't think this is a big deal duel flares suck but eh