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TPG Raptor MkIII

Jul 13, 2009 Kierky link
TPG Raptor Mark III (Advanced Storm Ranger)
Faction: TPG
Faction Level: +400>
Level: 4/4/2/-/-
Armor: 9000
Cargo: 4
Weapons: 2s
Mass: 3800
Length: 17m
Thrust: 215 N
Max Speed: 65m/s
Spin Torque: 12.0 Nm
Turbo Speed: 225m/s
Turbo Energy: 60/s

Built-in 1500m radar(ion) extension.

Any modifications? Feedback, and criticism, welcome.

EDIT: Changed the Spin Torque from 9.0Nm to 12 Nm
---- Changed the Top speed to 225m/s with 60/s drain
Jul 13, 2009 peytros link
how is this any better then the regular craptor? to be effective the raptor needs a major overhaul like having a 3rd small port added.
Jul 13, 2009 Kierky link
Better mass, thrust, less cargo, better spin speed.
Jul 13, 2009 bull350 link
I don't think a 3rd small port will do anything nor should it have one due to the fact that it has a radar extender...
Jul 13, 2009 ryan reign link
Currently a third port would not actually do much except drain the power faster. I think the best thing that could be done with the Raptor would be to move the weapons ports towards the outer edges of the "wings". Or perhaps if a variant is wanted... (same stats as the MKII)... with one large port located in the center, rather than two small ports or give it infiniboost.
Jul 13, 2009 toshiro link
I disagree, ryan.

A third port, aligned with the ship's axis, would make it more of a sniper's ship. Not that anyone in their right mind would choose one over a valk, but that would be its (although largely academic) use.
Jul 13, 2009 ryan reign link
Tosh, thats precisely the idea. The Raptor does not handle well enough to be a robust combat ship. Lets face it... we all bought the Raptor when it became available to us because it looks so cool, only to find out it is not a very good ship.

In making it a sniper ship, it once again has a role in the verse. I know it already has a role the "all weather fighter" but more often than not it is still over looked in favor of the Valk, Hog II, Prom, Vulture hell... even the Rag and Atlas see more combat than the Raptor.
Jul 13, 2009 astib link
From point of beginning player... I bought Rap month or so ago. A was looking forward to have it. Only result I got was that there are faaar much better ships than Rap, despite the fact Rap looks so beautiful.
I support to improve Rap, including extending weapon slots. That would make sense, because Rap looks like flexible ship, something between strike vessel and fighter. How he can concur to Vulture or Hog in its' current weapon layout? With storm extender? It is simply not enough, as common experience shows.
3rd slot will make it more attractive, does not matter if slot is large or small (voting for large).
Currently, Raptor is under-designed and it deserves change to better. I would vote for 3-slot Raptor Mk.III (agree w/ peytros).
Jul 13, 2009 ryan reign link
"(agree w/ peytros)"

lol... welcome to universal KoS. Seriously though, its true the Raptor does need some thing to make it worth having. Even if its just moving the ports towards the wings tips, that way at least it would be a decent rocket/missile platform.

"I bought Rap month or so ago. A was looking forward to have it. Only result I got was that there are faaar much better ships than Rap, despite the fact Rap looks so beautiful. "

That is sadly a very common occurrence, we all bought the Raptor at one point and we were all let down.
Jul 13, 2009 toshiro link
Moving the ports more towards the wing tips will increase its moment of inertia, making it even more sluggish in turns.
Jul 14, 2009 ryan reign link
well there has to be something that can be done to make it a ship that does more than collect dust.
Jul 14, 2009 Azumi link
wow, is that all you have to do for universal KoS?

I agree with Peytros (but will still shoot all Craptors to bits on principle)
Jul 14, 2009 Dr. Lecter link
I support to improve Rap, including extending weapon slots. That would make sense, because Rap looks like flexible ship, something between strike vessel and fighter. How he can concur to Vulture or Hog in its' current weapon layout?

Are you the guy who writes me all those emails about how you're a Nigerian so and so and you need my help to get $28 million out of your country safely?
Jul 14, 2009 toshiro link
Haha, burn.
Jul 14, 2009 astib link
Dr. Lecter: Yes, do believe me. But you already know replying to spammer is useless :)
Jul 14, 2009 PaKettle link
The raptor could use a bit more spin torque anyway so moving the slots outward is really a problem if the spin gets an adjustment
Jul 14, 2009 zak.wilson link
Needs more... something, else it's a bigger and less nimble Vulture. Due to its length, it's going to have a high angular mass and require a LOT more spin torque to be able to turn as quickly. Of course, with the position of its engines, maybe it SHOULD have a huge amount of spin torque.

Strat and I have both posted before our idea that Raptors should do 240m/s with 62 drain or higher. I still think it's a good idea.
Jul 15, 2009 Kierky link
edited to crowd appeal

Changed the Spin Torque from 9.0Nm to 12 Nm
Changed the Top speed to 230m/s with 62/s drain
Jul 16, 2009 toshiro link
I'm not in favor of crossing the 225 m/s border. Spin torque increase seems fine.

I don't think it'd be wise to just make it another Valk Challenger That Ultimately Fails.