Yes, its been discussed before, but obviously people are still interesting in discussing the matter, and I'm going to start a proper topic for the dissension before similar, but unrelated, topics are overrun by TD-related suggestions.

As we all know, the Warthog TD used to be undisputedly the fastest ship in the game--faster than the Valkyrie even--and balanced it with the highest turbo drain in the game to match. However, when the ships of the galaxy got nerfed so that they couldn't breach 225 m/s anymore, the TD got hit with the nerf bat harder than everything else.

Currently, its stats are comparable to the MkIV. But, because it has little to no niche advantage over the same, they end up splitting what little usage they have between them. Given that the TD could be considered an 'Exclusive' variant, this seems a little unfair.

I motion that something should be done to improve the TD. Not necessarily restore it to its glory-days, but at the very least make it a competent short-range interceptor again. Its the role it worked best at, and its the role that, at the moment, remains the most unfulfilled.

Thoughts? Opinions? Criticism? Cheese?

i still and probably alwasy will believe vo should un do the 225 nerf, as for buffing the td, its top speed is 220? make it infini boost, and give it an extra 1k armor (quad rail protection)

I really feel like fewer ships should be infini, not more. However, the TD could do with a greater helping of acceleration, allowing it to catch up to a target before that battery runs dry.

I dunno, LNH. Infiniboost is more the mk2's thing. But, if you think that you could come up with a variant set-up that doesn't infringe too much, I'd be all for it.

Personally, however, if the 225 nerf never gets undone, I'd like the TD to go 230 <.<

i think something that would make the TD really stand out from other hogs is put two L ports on it on each winglet up the thrust a bit too and it would make a great multipurpose ship.

I agree ship needs a improvement to fix it's nerf loss.

instead of increasing the cargo on the hornet a ship drawn with as much engine as it has also should have had a higher cruising speed, higher turbo speed, higher thrust and a tiny improvement maneuverability.

Can someone tell me roughly when I did the Warthog nerf (and other sub-220 nerfs)? I can hunt around in CVS and try and find it, just curious if someone knew the ballpark.

/agrees with Lord~spidey

Checking the history on the wiki's Valkyrie page, sometime between 3/14/2006 and 5/1/2006. The Warthog's page was not changed until June, but I recall all of the changes happening at once.

I would love for the TD to be made awesome again.

I spent a week playing UIT missions just to get it because it was the absolute BEST hog

The TD should be a sports utility hog, built tough with one HELL of an engine and absolutely awful on energy consumption just like it used to be.

it was the SUV of VO! Now it's just a gas guzzling 4 banger.

rolling back the 225 nerf would be nice, I've never been able to find one single way it made anything better in vo, hell I've not even heard a single player praise the 225 nerf (i probably missed some, but you get the idea)

Here is where things got bumped down to 225, which is a damn good thing too.

I thought the reason for reducing speeds was that higher speeds make the game less playable for high-lag people...?

"I can't survive the second half of Mission #3 because of the horrendous lag I get when faced with 20 bots at close range (bots teleport all around the sector, I get damaged by shots I can't see, my weapons don't fire sometimes, etc. All this, and my ping's only about 200). No raptor for me. :-/"

From that thread.

Just make the TD go 240m/s and be done with it.

From what I understand top turbo speeds are not going up to make things level for people outside North America (which is great). Since turbo speed isn't an option what about raising the thrust to say 270-280? That help give it a quicker pick up.
I really like the hog in general, it would be nice to give it a buff to make up for the nerf.

the TD should have 225 top speed but in that case make the
Rev C, IBG, SVG, CV, go to 230, the valk would still be awesome because of the 55 drain this, would widen the gap between interceptors and bombers and make the TD have two Lports.

I already buffed the turbo thrust on the TD, pretty significantly (a month or two ago?). It's not a visible stat, for some.. dumb oversight reason, but it was changed. So, accelerating with turbo from a standstill should be considerably better than it was.

or incarnate could just slow everything else down a bit...perhaps factor mass into the top speed as well.