..... Huh.. never knew a personal project for Vendetta would strike so much anger. When did I say "I don't support the Vendetta community Wiki?" I'm not going to WORK on the WIKI, im not going to denounce it. Besides in a sense i'm helping the wiki by gathering information others can draw from and put into the wiki.

Sorry you feel that way Ratonu, I have plenty of experience in running and building private / corperation owned websites. I've also had several attemepts at providing a new Website Design for the boys here at Vendetta-Online. Even offering to build ads for free.

If you think im hopeless please view these, you may think otherwise.
http://www.artwrkz.net/crumble_planetvendetta6.jpg Site suggestion
http://www.artwrkz.net/Mainportal.jpg BEO project
http://www.artwrkz.net/vendetta_better.jpg Vendetta concept ad
http://www.artwrkz.net/lineage2.jpg Lineage 2 private server site
http://www.artwrkz.net/beologo.jpg BEO logo
http://www.artwrkz.net/fadeaway.jpg Planet painting
http://www.artwrkz.net/scottsart/starfield1.jpg Starfield
http://www.artwrkz.net/planet1.jpg Planet

I've supported Vendetta and the community for the better part of 18+ months, even keeping my account active while i couldnt play, so I could support Vendetta in what I hope will be a great MMORPG. As soon as the project is done ill be posting a PDF and giving out the information on Vendetta ive collected. Including things the wiki doesnt currently have. The PDF will be avaliable to all and ill even be building a site for viewing of it as well.

It's strange how people dont even read previous posts were I specifically stated I have no problem making a PDF that they can add to the wiki and take information from to add to the community wiki.

ok then, read your own post where you are saying you do NOT want to work on an existing project, althought that platform offers everything that your project would need.
then, you are putting together so-called "new information" along with 90% existing information. why would one (any other one than you) invest time in reperfoming (re-reading) something that's already there?
your ATTITUDE is wrong. if you want to own an open project, ask the existing owners to let you join and prove you worth to be a part of the team. you can NEVER say "i don't care what others did" because the reply will ALWAYS be "the others won't care as well, especially for smthg that you HAVEN'T even done yet".
good luck (again).

> It's strange how people dont even read previous posts were I
> specifically stated I have no problem making a PDF that they can
> add to the wiki and take information from to add to the community
> wiki.

Ok, I haven't been able to find a post where you said that, but in any case, that's a good thing if you don't mind us incorporating what you've done into the Wiki. :)

See, if it's being incorporated into the wiki ANYWAY, why not put it there in the FIRST PLACE?

You guys need to cool off...

It's HIS project, not OURS. If the wiki needs upating, fine. Pool together people to fix it. I could personally fix all the borked ship stats. But don't try to draft him into doing something. This isn't WW2, just VO.

Yeah, lay off, i mean, how many times have I said I wont add to no stinking wiki and may make my own place to point newbs? Sorry, the Wiki isnt the *be all and end all* especially when someone keeps putting mis-information into it, I dunno how many times I changed the *hate* standing to read -601 and someone kept putting it back to -599, Wiki's are fine, for some but they aint for everyone.

You go for it chikara, some of the VO website mockups you posted looked quite sweet, I personally cant wait to see it :)

You have changed the standing to read -601 zero times because, according to this link, you have never edited the wiki since it was changed to using mediawiki in February, 2005.
http://www.vo-wiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Yodaofborg

On the subject of Chikira not using the Wiki, I really don't care one way or the other. Having a project of your own is always nice. Although, I would appreciate it if he allowed his work to be used on the wiki or used a Creative Commons license similar to the one the wiki uses, which is Attribution, NonCommercial, ShareAlike 2.0
http://creativecommons.org/

Well, maybe it was before that that I stopped using it, but facts are facts, wikis cant always be spot on, while they have numerous editors with different experiences (it IS -601 btw) and people ripping into Chikira for not wanting to contribute directly is kinda sad, not that im saying you were personally doing that SL.

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And im pretty sure than any information (except website design, images created, unless of course created using guild software images) that is in relation to Vendetta-online is IP of guild software alone, ship stats, ect, so ehum, no public user created site could say *dont copy info* - obviously it would be nice if it was easy to get though...

I'm just curious as to what info you think is so F'd up with the wiki, OTHER then the ship stats, because those have been on hold as far as updates due to the coming VO 2.0 changes. So, other then that what else is wrong? Just curious =)

yodaofborg, the stats on ships would belong to Guild Software, but something such as the Pirating page belongs to the site and can be used within the site's copyright.
But, something like a manual can have the owner retain all copy rights because it is an original work, such as all those learn it yourself books on programs and stuff. I don't want to get into the specific points of copy right stuff because well, I don't know it.

Thanks for the support guys. ^^ Ill be posting a site mockup for my Guide project. and ive gathered most existing information, ill be picking through and identifying the areas missing, then spending time gathering the missing information in game.

Ratonu
ok then, read your own post where you are saying you do NOT want to work on an existing project, althought that platform offers everything that your project would need.

Yes I do not want to work on any existing project, however the wiki doesnt provide what I need to terms of a Strategy Guide type set up.

Ratonu
then, you are putting together so-called "new information" along with 90% existing information. why would one (any other one than you) invest time in reperfoming (re-reading) something that's already there?

I love how percentages seem to fly out of random places... ^^ The Vendetta wiki does offer a far amount of information on VO, however it no where near covers 90% of the actual game. Especially considering all the information on the new UI is completely out of date, and major stat tables for Bots are missing more than half their information.

Ratonu:
your ATTITUDE is wrong. if you want to own an open project, ask the existing owners to let you join and prove you worth to be a part of the team.

No absolutely not, your asking me to take over the wiki and run it myself. O.o It's a community Wiki is it not? Mine is a private project open to suggestions, Which brings me back to what my main reasons for starting this thread were.

What does the vendetta community suggest be put into a Guide?
What would you like to see explained in a VO guide?

Ratonu
you can NEVER say "i don't care what others did" because the reply will ALWAYS be "the others won't care as well, especially for smthg that you HAVEN'T even done yet".

I did not say I dont give a damn about the wiki or what others have accomplished there. The wiki is a great Idea, and could be better if all the information was where it should be.

Agian for anyone else still confused.

This is a Vendetta strategy Guide, mostly being done to help new and veteran players adjust to the new User interface.

Chikira,

i see you don't understand english, or my english is really bad, or your mind is really twisted. so i'll let you be, along with your obsession.
and frankly, i never even seen the wiki, and i feel i will never even see your work, and i am exactly a veteran player. i've had some problem with the new interface but it took me 5 minutes and one question to figure it out. and i believe the new and vet player are in the same IQ range with me, not to speak about playing skills, which i am sure are a lot bigger.

good luck with your work, and if it will ever get done and someone thinks it's worth seeing i am sure they will point it out to me as soon as it hits the wiki, which i am then going to visit to see what you've done.

So you have been assualting me and attempting to be a smartass about the wiki and you havent even looked at the Wiki. O.o This is just beyond priceless. ^^

Heres a mock up of the site. ^^ Enjoy,

http://www.artwrkz.net/scottsart/Vendettaguide.jpg

Still pretty basic, but its an Idea right?

Chikira out

Does anybody have a link to the HAC or orginal capital ship wallpaper?

If you were part of the wiki design team you would have access to guides which could potentially get the images you seek, but unfortunately you've decided to be dumb about this and do it all yourself, I'd be really supprized if anyone helped you out. Good luck on your time sink, hope it's worth it in the end�c

You, sir, are not a graphic artist.
You are a fifteen year-old idiot newb wannabe, whose attempts at attention whoring seem to have aligned even the blindest of the community against you. I mean, shit, you're attemptng to re-invent the wheel without knowing what a circle looks like here.
I'd be hella shocked if it ever went anywhere past your "new vendetta website!" or your "open source space flight game!" ideas. You're doomed to make .jpg mockups of useless pieces of gunk for the rest of you life. Or at least, until you grow up a bit and actually think about what it takes to make something work before diving head-first into it.

ta-ta.

You can call the space flight sim a piece of crap all you want, you're only insulting the other 12 developers working on it. It's like the great saying goes, Those who can, do, those who can't, whine and bitch and complain at those who can. The vendetta website design I built was for the devs if they ever wanted to use it, the PSD is still avaliable for them, as well is the ad I built sometime way back when. Strange Genka, you say i'm immature, and have my head up my ass in a sense correct? Sorry but you really do sound like the average forum troll. Attention Whoring? aren't you jumping on the bandwagon here?

And Johnhawl, nice try but i've found the images before and if I can't find them again i'll take a new screenshot of it myself ^^. I fail to see how this is being dumb, i've already stated I will not and do not want to work on the wiki. This is a personal project and I'd like to see it done the way I envision the guide being done. I've also already said that I love the concept behind the wiki, and I would have joined it, EXCEPT the wiki does not have what I need to build a STRATEGY GUIDE and the relavent information. I never said the wiki was F'd up, It's missing the ship tables correct, it also does not contain an actual strategy guide, nor up to date information on the new User Interface.

Chikira, what does the wiki lack for making a strategy guide? YOU make the page look how YOU want it to, so it only is lacking what you lack in skill to code. I could make a million strategy guides on a wiki site, in fact I think a wiki is a perfect format FOR making a strategy guide. But, I get that you want to be "in control" so go do your thing. I just find it a total waste of time to completely redo something when you could simply adendum to what already exists. But do what you like.

I'm sorry, but I doubt there's anywhere on the internet where you will find what you need to make a strategy guide.

I'm pretty sure selling brains online is illeagal.

Edit: as for your "beyond earth" idiocy, it seems that you and your pals can't, since you haven't actually done anything yet...