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Think about it! They are silent, don't polute, you don't support oil wars and stuff, you are independent (can have your own solar panel at home for recharing), it is much cheaper to drive, etc.
And if you look around, they are also cheap to get, but hard to get. And nearly no ones sells them, although everyone has good ones ready. Ans that's why? Because the oil industry suppresses it! That's all. The people would buy it. It could be same price or cheaper, same speed, enough driving range (even the same with hybrid plant oil (also CO2 neutral and can be made by neighbour farmers)), and much much cheaper daily cost. And silent and no exhaust. Why would one not buy this? It is just hold back and kept secret as much as possible! Just look around the net, you find enough good cars, which are as good as fuel driven cars. But they are very hard to get...
And if you look around, they are also cheap to get, but hard to get. And nearly no ones sells them, although everyone has good ones ready. Ans that's why? Because the oil industry suppresses it! That's all. The people would buy it. It could be same price or cheaper, same speed, enough driving range (even the same with hybrid plant oil (also CO2 neutral and can be made by neighbour farmers)), and much much cheaper daily cost. And silent and no exhaust. Why would one not buy this? It is just hold back and kept secret as much as possible! Just look around the net, you find enough good cars, which are as good as fuel driven cars. But they are very hard to get...
Hybrid cars are nice.
I live in Alaska, and I've mentioned that repeatedly so I wont go into detail.
Currently, the Oil Industry up here is very nice to us, they pay most of the taxes (Most AK cities have no sales tax, those that do it's about 2%) and there is very low taxes.
Currently, because of the decline of North Slope Crude Oil, and major finds of Natural Gas underground have stirred feelings that building another Trans-Alaska Pipeline but used for Natural Gas and perhaps run to the terminals for Oil at Valdez or run through Canada are under serious consideration.
Because the land is technically owned by the oil companies, if this pipeline was constructed, you could see a drastic increase in the amount of Natural Gas cars on the market.
Current plans place the project as completed if work began in 2005 at about 2007-2010 (The plans are still rough) 2007: Valdez route, parrallels pipeline, and 2010: Estimated time for route from North Slope, through Canada, ending in Washington State.
Currently, the Oil Industry up here is very nice to us, they pay most of the taxes (Most AK cities have no sales tax, those that do it's about 2%) and there is very low taxes.
Currently, because of the decline of North Slope Crude Oil, and major finds of Natural Gas underground have stirred feelings that building another Trans-Alaska Pipeline but used for Natural Gas and perhaps run to the terminals for Oil at Valdez or run through Canada are under serious consideration.
Because the land is technically owned by the oil companies, if this pipeline was constructed, you could see a drastic increase in the amount of Natural Gas cars on the market.
Current plans place the project as completed if work began in 2005 at about 2007-2010 (The plans are still rough) 2007: Valdez route, parrallels pipeline, and 2010: Estimated time for route from North Slope, through Canada, ending in Washington State.
Blah, I'd prefer a hydrogen fuel-cell car. Current battery technology isn't that great, so the range would be quite limited. Unless it'd only be for intra-city driving, it wouldn't be that useful...
Hybrid cars really can work wonders. Pyro, if you doubt the effect of such things, picture a city like Los Angeles full of hybrids. You'd cut down on the smog output incredibly.
The only problem with electric cars is rescuing people out of them. There are live wires throughout, and using the "Jaws of Life" on the car could electrocute both the person in distress and rescuers. Gotta be careful there.
The only problem with electric cars is rescuing people out of them. There are live wires throughout, and using the "Jaws of Life" on the car could electrocute both the person in distress and rescuers. Gotta be careful there.
Natural gas is the same as fuel, it is fossil and has no advantage over it.
With normal batteries you get driving ranges up to 200 km, that are I think about 130 miles, maybe just 100 miles with really affordable good batteries (maybe up to 3 times cheaper than the 130 miles ones). I think this is pretty ok, and me won't go so far except some times a year. And then it's enough. Maybe in the USA greater ranges would be needed.
The T-Zero sports car with Lithium-Ion Batteries goes 200 miles per charge, and is even accelarating faster than any Porsche, Corvette or Ferarri, they made the tests, you can watch the videos, just search for T-Zero in google. But that sports car also costs like other sports cars!
Also there are systems that can be charged to 80% within 10 minutes (even inductive, would be optimal for busses). So if you make a brake every some hours for 10 minutes is ok too in my opinion. Regular electric cars charge about 0.7 miles per minute.
And with a hybrid car (NOT fuel or natural gas, i mean only the renewable plant-oil) you get driving ranges of about 380 miles without any expensive system. So for every day needs the electric part could do it with up to 130 miles, and if you make longer trips, you put in some plant oil (it's that easy!).
The advantage of plant oil over fuel or natural gas is, it is CO2 neutral, every plant that grows takes back all the CO2 another plant has put in the air while burnt, so no polution is done, it can be grown unlimited and from our neighbour farmers. So this is very acceptable too.
The thing why fuell cells will not be so good, is the fact that when making fuel cells there is a lot of energy lost. You can store more in a smaller room, but much is lost therefore. You will only get about 20-25% of the energy back at all. So you drive more cheap with a battery loaded car.
So the hybrid combination: electric and plant oil is the way to prefer (or just electric for smaller ranges), this is absolutely CO2 neutral, not polluting air, and for short ranges silent and completely exhaution free.
I for the moment have just a small electric car which I bought for about 1300$ + 600$ good batteries (NiZn) (it has only 70 km driving range and goes 60 km per hour, but needs no driving license which also costs a lot here (about 2000$) and takes about 1-2 month of learning, driving lessons and various tests) for one person, but it gets me to work and back plus some additional ways every day MUCH cheaper and more friendly to all of us, than any other way. And I didn't even run to short on power yet! It's ideal for cities (always parking space because of size) and that's why it's called: City-el ;-)
And as soon, as something gets available, I'll buy a bigger one. (I would prefer the Hotzenblitz, this one has the max. 200 km electric, and 600 km hybrid with plant-oil, looks great and very stylish and is practical like hell)
Think about it and get responsible too!
greetings,
Stuepfnick
With normal batteries you get driving ranges up to 200 km, that are I think about 130 miles, maybe just 100 miles with really affordable good batteries (maybe up to 3 times cheaper than the 130 miles ones). I think this is pretty ok, and me won't go so far except some times a year. And then it's enough. Maybe in the USA greater ranges would be needed.
The T-Zero sports car with Lithium-Ion Batteries goes 200 miles per charge, and is even accelarating faster than any Porsche, Corvette or Ferarri, they made the tests, you can watch the videos, just search for T-Zero in google. But that sports car also costs like other sports cars!
Also there are systems that can be charged to 80% within 10 minutes (even inductive, would be optimal for busses). So if you make a brake every some hours for 10 minutes is ok too in my opinion. Regular electric cars charge about 0.7 miles per minute.
And with a hybrid car (NOT fuel or natural gas, i mean only the renewable plant-oil) you get driving ranges of about 380 miles without any expensive system. So for every day needs the electric part could do it with up to 130 miles, and if you make longer trips, you put in some plant oil (it's that easy!).
The advantage of plant oil over fuel or natural gas is, it is CO2 neutral, every plant that grows takes back all the CO2 another plant has put in the air while burnt, so no polution is done, it can be grown unlimited and from our neighbour farmers. So this is very acceptable too.
The thing why fuell cells will not be so good, is the fact that when making fuel cells there is a lot of energy lost. You can store more in a smaller room, but much is lost therefore. You will only get about 20-25% of the energy back at all. So you drive more cheap with a battery loaded car.
So the hybrid combination: electric and plant oil is the way to prefer (or just electric for smaller ranges), this is absolutely CO2 neutral, not polluting air, and for short ranges silent and completely exhaution free.
I for the moment have just a small electric car which I bought for about 1300$ + 600$ good batteries (NiZn) (it has only 70 km driving range and goes 60 km per hour, but needs no driving license which also costs a lot here (about 2000$) and takes about 1-2 month of learning, driving lessons and various tests) for one person, but it gets me to work and back plus some additional ways every day MUCH cheaper and more friendly to all of us, than any other way. And I didn't even run to short on power yet! It's ideal for cities (always parking space because of size) and that's why it's called: City-el ;-)
And as soon, as something gets available, I'll buy a bigger one. (I would prefer the Hotzenblitz, this one has the max. 200 km electric, and 600 km hybrid with plant-oil, looks great and very stylish and is practical like hell)
Think about it and get responsible too!
greetings,
Stuepfnick
Huh? Camps, I was talking about pure electric cars, not hybrids. Hybrids have none of the range problems of the pure electrics...
Yes, but hybrid ONLY makes sense if it's plant oil. (so CO2 neutral amd renewable) and should only be swithed on for long distance drives!
Hm, and the rescue stuff: That voltage doesn't have to be so high. That is not really a problem, like you think. If it for example has 84 Volts (normal Voltage of electric cars, mine has even 36V) it's not so dangerous and mostly the car body shoul be plastic (polycarbonates or something else), it doesn't rust and is much lighter. (so less energy is needed)
Known cars: Hotzenblitz (the best), T-Zero (the fastest and most expensive), City-el (the smallest and most practicablest for cities or short ranges), Peugeot 106 electric (ok, but outdated), Citreon Saxo electric (ok, but outdated), and lot's of others.
Just search the web for those and inform yourself!
Stuepfnick
Hm, and the rescue stuff: That voltage doesn't have to be so high. That is not really a problem, like you think. If it for example has 84 Volts (normal Voltage of electric cars, mine has even 36V) it's not so dangerous and mostly the car body shoul be plastic (polycarbonates or something else), it doesn't rust and is much lighter. (so less energy is needed)
Known cars: Hotzenblitz (the best), T-Zero (the fastest and most expensive), City-el (the smallest and most practicablest for cities or short ranges), Peugeot 106 electric (ok, but outdated), Citreon Saxo electric (ok, but outdated), and lot's of others.
Just search the web for those and inform yourself!
Stuepfnick
It's not voltage that's important, it's current...
Just wear an insulated rubber suit every time you get in your car.
This really is NOT a problem. With a polycarbonate car, like the Hotzenblitz it is nearly impossible to get in that circuit! Even when getting in mine for example it doesn't do anything. I don't know where you got your strange ideas... it is as dangerous as the car battery for light and the starter.
Believe me, different companies made lots of safety tests with lots of different electric cars, and that wasn't an issue in one of the many tested cases. It is absolute nonsense to see this as a danger.
Or maybe you also think it is dangerous to walk around, because a piano can fall on your head easily ;-)
A bigger problem would be the exiting acid of lead-acid batteries (which are not very useful at all for that case), or Cadmium, or Lio-Ion, which is the most dangerous (can explode I think)! Safe are Nickel-Zinc, like mine are, and both metals are eco friendly, and the rest is water and stuff.
It is like to say: Oh, fuel cars explode immediatly, when having an accident. You always must drive with your asbest clothes! It's just nonsense and no worry at all :-)
I even had an accident once (was not my fault) with a lead-acid driven electric car. The only problem was that the acid destroyed the clothes I weared when it happend, and that slowly over the time (several weeks). :-(
Have a nice day!
Stuepfnick
PS: If you don't like this go by train (electric) :-) or by bus. (best electric ones :-)
PPS: Buy only electricity which is from renewable sources (no nuke, no oil, no cole, etc.) better use wind, solar, water, biomass and that stuff!!
Believe me, different companies made lots of safety tests with lots of different electric cars, and that wasn't an issue in one of the many tested cases. It is absolute nonsense to see this as a danger.
Or maybe you also think it is dangerous to walk around, because a piano can fall on your head easily ;-)
A bigger problem would be the exiting acid of lead-acid batteries (which are not very useful at all for that case), or Cadmium, or Lio-Ion, which is the most dangerous (can explode I think)! Safe are Nickel-Zinc, like mine are, and both metals are eco friendly, and the rest is water and stuff.
It is like to say: Oh, fuel cars explode immediatly, when having an accident. You always must drive with your asbest clothes! It's just nonsense and no worry at all :-)
I even had an accident once (was not my fault) with a lead-acid driven electric car. The only problem was that the acid destroyed the clothes I weared when it happend, and that slowly over the time (several weeks). :-(
Have a nice day!
Stuepfnick
PS: If you don't like this go by train (electric) :-) or by bus. (best electric ones :-)
PPS: Buy only electricity which is from renewable sources (no nuke, no oil, no cole, etc.) better use wind, solar, water, biomass and that stuff!!
Hmmm... electric cars, fission powered airplanes... gah!
Agreed about the electrics. I was driving around with one a few years ago, for most of the summer (1999 I think). It was the company-car (Theres something to be said to be working for a power company) and it was a marvel to drive.
Though it did incur another fringe problem. They were more near-accident prone than gasoline cars are , since they are so darn silent. People tend to listen a lot more for traffic than they know, and just tend to walk out in front of it without thinking there is a car there.
Overall, I love those electrical ones.
Though it did incur another fringe problem. They were more near-accident prone than gasoline cars are , since they are so darn silent. People tend to listen a lot more for traffic than they know, and just tend to walk out in front of it without thinking there is a car there.
Overall, I love those electrical ones.
They are simply the best!
I take the bike,
its cheap, non polluting and you known what I dont need any courses...
cheers
its cheap, non polluting and you known what I dont need any courses...
cheers
I want a nuke powered car. Pure electric cars, IMHO, are still useless at this time, unless they're powered by solar cells. After all, where does the energy come from? Coal plants, nuke plants, ect.
As for the plant oil, how do you think they make that stuff? Where does the energy to power the factorys that produce it come from? Coal plants, nuke plants, ect.
Rene over there has the best idea. Bikes.
As for the plant oil, how do you think they make that stuff? Where does the energy to power the factorys that produce it come from? Coal plants, nuke plants, ect.
Rene over there has the best idea. Bikes.
I bike to work. every day. rain or shine. And rene is right, no fossil fuels are used. (i go through a lot of energy bars tho)
>>Yes, but hybrid ONLY makes sense if it's plant oil. (so CO2
>>neutral amd renewable) and should only be swithed on for long
>>distance drives!
Plain 'ol gasoline hybrid cars make sense too, though maybe not as much. First of all, gas stations have the fuel for them, but most gas stations that I've seen don't carry plant oil. Second of all, they are much more efficient than normal gas-powered cars.
They're pretty much smack in between the electric and the gas powered cars, and lessen the fatal flaws of both. In fact, because they are so efficient, they carry a better range than even normal gas powered cars.
They may not be quite as good for the environment as pure electric, or plant-oil hybrid cars, but they are more readily available, don't need to be recharged, can be refueled as a normal car can, and are quite fuel-efficent (and therefore don't pollute as much as gasoline cars).
>>neutral amd renewable) and should only be swithed on for long
>>distance drives!
Plain 'ol gasoline hybrid cars make sense too, though maybe not as much. First of all, gas stations have the fuel for them, but most gas stations that I've seen don't carry plant oil. Second of all, they are much more efficient than normal gas-powered cars.
They're pretty much smack in between the electric and the gas powered cars, and lessen the fatal flaws of both. In fact, because they are so efficient, they carry a better range than even normal gas powered cars.
They may not be quite as good for the environment as pure electric, or plant-oil hybrid cars, but they are more readily available, don't need to be recharged, can be refueled as a normal car can, and are quite fuel-efficent (and therefore don't pollute as much as gasoline cars).
How do you think the electricity to recharge your car is generated? Probably either oil, coal, or nuclear.
? Hybrid cars run on fuel when more power (torque) is needed, otherwise they run on electricity. The batteries in a hybrid are charged mostly while braking. An electric motor can be run by electric current, but if an external mechanical force turns the axle then current is generated from the motor and can be fed back to the batteries.
With a totally electric vehicle, however, simon's right.
With a totally electric vehicle, however, simon's right.