A cosmologist and a game designer sit down for an hour to talk about the meaning behind games:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2019/06/24/episode-52-frank-lantz-on-the-logic-and-emotion-of-games/

I found it pretty interesting, especially as it's not from the perspective of "gamers" or solely people in the industry but more of a look at the big picture w.r.t. why people play games, why all games aren't the same, AI, art, etc.