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Before this morning, I knew not much of Rev. Joseph Lowery. In Coretta's eulogy, he has found a nice spot in my hearth.
A brilliant speaker, none would have been a wiser choice for his convictions past and present for presenting Coretta Scott King's eulogy. The wife of Martin Luther King inspired one more very important speech wich I hope will have great impact.
In the face of tyranny, he said what needs to be told again and again.
One important part: http://wnymedia.net/video/lowery%20on%20bush_300k.wmv
The complete eulogy: http://wnymedia.net/video/lowery%20full%20speech_300k.wmv
I want to shake hands with that man.
A brilliant speaker, none would have been a wiser choice for his convictions past and present for presenting Coretta Scott King's eulogy. The wife of Martin Luther King inspired one more very important speech wich I hope will have great impact.
In the face of tyranny, he said what needs to be told again and again.
One important part: http://wnymedia.net/video/lowery%20on%20bush_300k.wmv
The complete eulogy: http://wnymedia.net/video/lowery%20full%20speech_300k.wmv
I want to shake hands with that man.
yeah.
but im still giving 10/month to vendetta, not to those whiny starving kids
but im still giving 10/month to vendetta, not to those whiny starving kids
That 10 bucks a month keeps 4 devs from starving.
A single tomahawk missile costs 750k. You'd feed way more people with that.
A single tomahawk missile costs 750k. You'd feed way more people with that.
Can't feed people if they're dead.
.. That speech was absolutely appauling, using her memory to attack the president is shameful.
I thought it was a great speech. The lady was the wife of THE civil rights activist of the century, and attempted to carry on what her and her husband started. And I'm inclined to think that her children had some input to how the service should be conducted. They were probably a little more in tune to what her wishes were than you or I.
Put a better way, Doukutsu: you don't have to feed dead people.
Anything attacking the "Bush and Dick" in the White House gets two thumbs up in my book.
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Should we make even MORE people reliant on our generosity by conditioning them to expect our handouts? What about "teaching a man to fish?"
It's sad that there are poor people in the world, true. When it comes down to it, one stealth bomber per year would feed exactly HOW many people? Does the United States have to do this? If so, why not everyone else? And if every other country has to do it, why can't we just take that a small step further and rely on the commonsense generosity of everyday people without creating another new government program that would inefficiently and horribly attempt to eradicate poverty and hunger. Hey - Let's put Brownie in charge! I hear he's lookin' for work!
I mean, sheesh. If you rely on the U.S. government for ANYTHING, you deserve what you get.
MLK was an extremely brave man who challenged injustice where he saw it and was willing to put his message before everything else, even his life. I've heard Mrs. King speak in person, and although she was a decent speaker I believe others sidetracked her/hijacked her late husband's core message through her.
/me goes to live on a compound in Montana...
It's sad that there are poor people in the world, true. When it comes down to it, one stealth bomber per year would feed exactly HOW many people? Does the United States have to do this? If so, why not everyone else? And if every other country has to do it, why can't we just take that a small step further and rely on the commonsense generosity of everyday people without creating another new government program that would inefficiently and horribly attempt to eradicate poverty and hunger. Hey - Let's put Brownie in charge! I hear he's lookin' for work!
I mean, sheesh. If you rely on the U.S. government for ANYTHING, you deserve what you get.
MLK was an extremely brave man who challenged injustice where he saw it and was willing to put his message before everything else, even his life. I've heard Mrs. King speak in person, and although she was a decent speaker I believe others sidetracked her/hijacked her late husband's core message through her.
/me goes to live on a compound in Montana...
When I go... I'm gonna come back and haunt *anyone* that takes "my" time of remembrance to put forth their own personal agenda... a funeral, for God's sakes. Is there *nothing* sacred anymore?
I guess not... and I feel that is just wrong.
I personally don't care how much you hate the current administration... This was supposed to be a time of remembrance and celebration of Coretta's life and achievements... not a time to bash the administration (that had *nothing* to do with the glorious conflict, struggle, and achievement the King family owns).
I mean, really... what possible ties do the current administration and the King family have... and it was a Left agenda that totally ignored the contributions that the family shed blood for... there should have been big blue foam fingers sold to the attendees... that would have just capped it off. And peanuts, popcorn... and beer... it was, afterall, a circus.
I'm actually old enough to have lived through those times... and I am also old enough to still have respect for the dead... I pity those that don't see the difference. And another reason that I seem to become more conservative as I grow even older.
I guess not... and I feel that is just wrong.
I personally don't care how much you hate the current administration... This was supposed to be a time of remembrance and celebration of Coretta's life and achievements... not a time to bash the administration (that had *nothing* to do with the glorious conflict, struggle, and achievement the King family owns).
I mean, really... what possible ties do the current administration and the King family have... and it was a Left agenda that totally ignored the contributions that the family shed blood for... there should have been big blue foam fingers sold to the attendees... that would have just capped it off. And peanuts, popcorn... and beer... it was, afterall, a circus.
I'm actually old enough to have lived through those times... and I am also old enough to still have respect for the dead... I pity those that don't see the difference. And another reason that I seem to become more conservative as I grow even older.
leapfrog, he was there, he knew the kings, he led some of the marches, while they were all getting death threats, and while people were being murdered, so until you do that, shut the 2#$$ up.
lebermac: you dont get it. if you admire dr king so much then why havent you read anything about him? i suggest 'and the walls came tumbling down'.
and while you're at it 'the cross of iron' speech by dwight d eisenhower wouldnt hurt.
lebermac: you dont get it. if you admire dr king so much then why havent you read anything about him? i suggest 'and the walls came tumbling down'.
and while you're at it 'the cross of iron' speech by dwight d eisenhower wouldnt hurt.
Hehe. I've been told "I don't get it" by better men than you, ananzi. I'm sure that this won't be the last time.
Usually when people tell me that, it's just shorthand for "You don't agree with me and my limited view of the world so in order to avoid examining my own viewpoint I dismiss you out-of-hand."
Usually when people tell me that, it's just shorthand for "You don't agree with me and my limited view of the world so in order to avoid examining my own viewpoint I dismiss you out-of-hand."
The idea is not to make the US or it's millitary forces pay up for the worlds poor.
But I'm saying that any country that still has famish and poor/unprotected people INSIDE ought better to spend more on that problem before creating problem out there, even if long range goal is to provide more cash flow in the country thereafter.
Canada doesn't apply BTW because our own military is poor and undernourished ! Heck, they wear green fatigues in the desert operations of Afganistan.
But I'm saying that any country that still has famish and poor/unprotected people INSIDE ought better to spend more on that problem before creating problem out there, even if long range goal is to provide more cash flow in the country thereafter.
Canada doesn't apply BTW because our own military is poor and undernourished ! Heck, they wear green fatigues in the desert operations of Afganistan.
Hehe, Lebes that's funny...
ananzi, I wasn't citing "someone elses" point of view, but rather my own... and to address your point, I'm no doubt twice your age (possibly three times) - so I do have the personal experiences that you lack. Lessee... I've lived it, you've read about it. Well, that's a start anyway. Besides, even you have an opinion and the right to express it. So, no. I will not shut up. Fair enough?
/me gives ananzi a hug...
ananzi, I wasn't citing "someone elses" point of view, but rather my own... and to address your point, I'm no doubt twice your age (possibly three times) - so I do have the personal experiences that you lack. Lessee... I've lived it, you've read about it. Well, that's a start anyway. Besides, even you have an opinion and the right to express it. So, no. I will not shut up. Fair enough?
/me gives ananzi a hug...
Actually, we already produce enough food to "feed the world"
Most of it rots in silos because to release it on the market here would kill the price. (This is what we buy with Farm Subsidies)
Personally, I find it absurd that we consume by FAR the majority of the world's resources, and then get snippy and use the argument "teach people to fish", when we are asked to help out with some of their deficiencies. We're EATING all the Proverbial fish.
Back on Topic, as far as "Using the speech to attack the president."
The President has never made civil rights a cornerstone of his presidency, is it unusual that the same civil rights activists would lash out at him when given the forum?
Especially when Bush is clearly trying to associate himself with the movement via his presence.
If he didn't want it to be political, he shouldn't have shown up. Not with his record.
Everything is political in this country, deal with it. Address the argument, not the forum or the individuals involved. Coretta S. King had a history of activism, I think she would have been proud.
Most of it rots in silos because to release it on the market here would kill the price. (This is what we buy with Farm Subsidies)
Personally, I find it absurd that we consume by FAR the majority of the world's resources, and then get snippy and use the argument "teach people to fish", when we are asked to help out with some of their deficiencies. We're EATING all the Proverbial fish.
Back on Topic, as far as "Using the speech to attack the president."
The President has never made civil rights a cornerstone of his presidency, is it unusual that the same civil rights activists would lash out at him when given the forum?
Especially when Bush is clearly trying to associate himself with the movement via his presence.
If he didn't want it to be political, he shouldn't have shown up. Not with his record.
Everything is political in this country, deal with it. Address the argument, not the forum or the individuals involved. Coretta S. King had a history of activism, I think she would have been proud.
lebermac, you still didnt answer my question.
if you admire dr king so much, how can you be so ignorant of his ideas?
your very post decrying 'dependency' reveals a profound lack of education on the principles of civil rights and social justice and of the programs and movements he participated in and came to lead.
even a moderate conservative would be acquainted with the perils of the 'military industrial complex', as stated by president eisenhower. in this mold the civil rights leaders decried the social and economic emphasis of america on the military. in fact the military system in america was a huge welfare check and generated more 'dependency on government' than every social program ever invented. just go to any rural place where there is a military base and ask people what would happen if the base closed down. visit the various shipyards, airplane factories, tank factories, and so forth and so on around the country.
even a white power nutball would understand that civil rights has nothing to do with 'asking for a handout'; thats why they were so afraid of it. civil rights meant the end of dependency, not the beginning.
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leapfrog if you ever risked your life for civil rights, then i might listen to your criticism of the man. have you ever done that?
if you admire dr king so much, how can you be so ignorant of his ideas?
your very post decrying 'dependency' reveals a profound lack of education on the principles of civil rights and social justice and of the programs and movements he participated in and came to lead.
even a moderate conservative would be acquainted with the perils of the 'military industrial complex', as stated by president eisenhower. in this mold the civil rights leaders decried the social and economic emphasis of america on the military. in fact the military system in america was a huge welfare check and generated more 'dependency on government' than every social program ever invented. just go to any rural place where there is a military base and ask people what would happen if the base closed down. visit the various shipyards, airplane factories, tank factories, and so forth and so on around the country.
even a white power nutball would understand that civil rights has nothing to do with 'asking for a handout'; thats why they were so afraid of it. civil rights meant the end of dependency, not the beginning.
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leapfrog if you ever risked your life for civil rights, then i might listen to your criticism of the man. have you ever done that?
Oh, I was addressing Mogul's statement "A single tomahawk missile costs 750k. You'd feed way more people with that." originally, ananzi, about world hunger and such. I discussed neither of the Kings.
Shape's right - as a previous owner of farmland (that I paid someone else to take care of & farm), I was paid a subsidy to plant one thing instead of another, even though that wasn't a profitable year. One year I was paid by the US govt not to plant ANYTHING. That was a great year. PLUS I still got to claim zero income from the farm that year and it was an awesome tax writeoff. Proving that our government is run by idiots, and if you can scrape together enough money and are clever enough, even people like me can scrape by.
The "teaching a man to fish" axiom holds true, however. If you merely ship the food overseas you end up strengthening corrupt regimes and upsetting the balance of the food economies that are trying to exist over there. Look at what happened in Somalia or Liberia. Food was withheld to ensure loyalty and/or blackmail folks. Legit farmers went out of business immediately when the "free" food finally did arrive. Now, the situation is worse because we tried to help.
Shape's right - as a previous owner of farmland (that I paid someone else to take care of & farm), I was paid a subsidy to plant one thing instead of another, even though that wasn't a profitable year. One year I was paid by the US govt not to plant ANYTHING. That was a great year. PLUS I still got to claim zero income from the farm that year and it was an awesome tax writeoff. Proving that our government is run by idiots, and if you can scrape together enough money and are clever enough, even people like me can scrape by.
The "teaching a man to fish" axiom holds true, however. If you merely ship the food overseas you end up strengthening corrupt regimes and upsetting the balance of the food economies that are trying to exist over there. Look at what happened in Somalia or Liberia. Food was withheld to ensure loyalty and/or blackmail folks. Legit farmers went out of business immediately when the "free" food finally did arrive. Now, the situation is worse because we tried to help.
Its still a slippery slope argument,
look up logical fallacies on google, there are a few VERY interestin sites,
unfortunately, if you find the site I'm thinking of, you'll see them EVERYWHERE, then go insane and commit yourself to the destruction of elves.
You shouldn't just send food everywhere, but there are places that are NOT corrupt that could use it, and where corruption and ignorance are problems that originate in peoples' inability to focus on anything deeper that what they're going to eat.
Food should NOT be a bargaining tool.
look up logical fallacies on google, there are a few VERY interestin sites,
unfortunately, if you find the site I'm thinking of, you'll see them EVERYWHERE, then go insane and commit yourself to the destruction of elves.
You shouldn't just send food everywhere, but there are places that are NOT corrupt that could use it, and where corruption and ignorance are problems that originate in peoples' inability to focus on anything deeper that what they're going to eat.
Food should NOT be a bargaining tool.
Shape, I hate to invoke the naturalistic fallacy here, but slippery slope isn't necessarily a flaw in Lever's argument. The question is how determinate can you make the line that cuts off the descent down the slope.
Moreover, last time I checked, there's a very real divide between altruism and right/duty. And there's neither a right to receive nor a duty to provide food for anyone. It can be a bargaining tool like anything else. Productivity hardly obligates one to start hosting soup kitchens.
Moreover, last time I checked, there's a very real divide between altruism and right/duty. And there's neither a right to receive nor a duty to provide food for anyone. It can be a bargaining tool like anything else. Productivity hardly obligates one to start hosting soup kitchens.
well, if we base our actions on what we have a right to, my prospects for the future are rather grim.