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Agreed. You don't necessarily need to be remorseful about (allegedly) injuring your sister. You can be remorseful about taking the law into your own hands, making the wrong choices, taking a verbal altercation to a physical level - anything along those lines. No need to make that distinction to the judge, by the way. Just be legitimately remorseful. She will reap the consequences of her actions, just as you will reap yours. Don't get caught up in trying to create consequences for others.
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FM, RelayeR not to rain on any parades, but where's this vigilante status comming from?!
IO is obviously not some vigilante, he may have been overly rough or something but by no means was his sister violating the law thus making him take the law into his own hands to preserve it.
I still suggest the no remorse approach. Say your sorry but that ultimately, she brought about the ending herself. Don't appear HEARTLESS or anything, no no no, just don't over dramitize the thing into stupidity or anything.
Say your sorry it happened the way it did but that she could have been more accomdating to your requests on the matter of the door and say that your actions were wrong and shouldn't have happened but dont go in there and feed his some BS story or act like some actor. Just tell it like it is and don't try to mask your true feelings about it, what happened happened and your sorry it came to this but hey, she could've helped solve it yet chose to ignore the opportunity.
I advise not being cold or hearless by any means, but use a level of discretion in the matter of the feelings.
And if at anytime I sounded like I wanted to bite back hard, hey hey, no. Just trying to get him outta there without much pain or anything.
FM, RelayeR not to rain on any parades, but where's this vigilante status comming from?!
IO is obviously not some vigilante, he may have been overly rough or something but by no means was his sister violating the law thus making him take the law into his own hands to preserve it.
I still suggest the no remorse approach. Say your sorry but that ultimately, she brought about the ending herself. Don't appear HEARTLESS or anything, no no no, just don't over dramitize the thing into stupidity or anything.
Say your sorry it happened the way it did but that she could have been more accomdating to your requests on the matter of the door and say that your actions were wrong and shouldn't have happened but dont go in there and feed his some BS story or act like some actor. Just tell it like it is and don't try to mask your true feelings about it, what happened happened and your sorry it came to this but hey, she could've helped solve it yet chose to ignore the opportunity.
I advise not being cold or hearless by any means, but use a level of discretion in the matter of the feelings.
And if at anytime I sounded like I wanted to bite back hard, hey hey, no. Just trying to get him outta there without much pain or anything.
Frankly, I hope that IO listens to his attorney in this matter and does NOT take ANY of the advice posted here unless said person says they are a lawyer. IANAL and do not play one on TV!
That being said, since FM's and RelayeR's posts essentially boil down to "Tell the truth and take responsibilities for your own actions." if any advice I'd give, that is it.
That being said, since FM's and RelayeR's posts essentially boil down to "Tell the truth and take responsibilities for your own actions." if any advice I'd give, that is it.
Yes, it was a figure of speech and no, I was not implying a vigilante status.
You did hit the nail on the head, furball...tell the truth and take responsibility for your actions.
The judge's job, if he/she finds io guilty of the charge(s) is to come up with a way to put him on the straight and narrow. If the judge feels that io learned his lesson and realizes what he did wrong, lacking any other bias*, he/she will be less inclined to go hard on him. If he is truely remorseful, demonstrating an unwillingness to repeat his offence, he/she will also be inclined to lower the consequences even more.
Like FM said, in the eyes of the law, it is not our job to regulate the behavior of others but to manage our own behavior. If io can demonstrate that he can manage his future behavior, he will do ok.
As for listening to his lawyer, if his lawyer has not told him this aready, he needs a new one.
(lacking other bias* = I certainly hope the judge is not a lady who was physically pushed around by a male.)
You did hit the nail on the head, furball...tell the truth and take responsibility for your actions.
The judge's job, if he/she finds io guilty of the charge(s) is to come up with a way to put him on the straight and narrow. If the judge feels that io learned his lesson and realizes what he did wrong, lacking any other bias*, he/she will be less inclined to go hard on him. If he is truely remorseful, demonstrating an unwillingness to repeat his offence, he/she will also be inclined to lower the consequences even more.
Like FM said, in the eyes of the law, it is not our job to regulate the behavior of others but to manage our own behavior. If io can demonstrate that he can manage his future behavior, he will do ok.
As for listening to his lawyer, if his lawyer has not told him this aready, he needs a new one.
(lacking other bias* = I certainly hope the judge is not a lady who was physically pushed around by a male.)
Judge is male
Okay, I get it now. the whole thing Fm and RelayeR are talking about...yeah, I'd lean more towards their ideas the more I think about it.
Basically furb(y) was right when he said "tell the truth and take responsibility for your actions"
Okay, I get it now. the whole thing Fm and RelayeR are talking about...yeah, I'd lean more towards their ideas the more I think about it.
Basically furb(y) was right when he said "tell the truth and take responsibility for your actions"
trust me, my lawyer already said thats going to be the key to getting no punishment.
i admit what i did, and i admit that what i did shouldnt have been done, but i wont say that i did that for no apparent reason. my sister can agitate me and sometimes things like this do happen, but this is the 1st time that this has ever happened to such an extremity.
my over all position is this: i made a mistake, it shoulnt have happened. i wont do it again, because simply 1) im not really a person to repeat mistakes (unless im bored - game situations only). 2) if my sister wants to do stuff that gets her in trouble, or anyone else for that matter, fine let them, isnt my job to stop them. 3) if people dont want to stop other people from doing the wrong thing, then should i do it? this isnt a super hero comic, im not gonna go around stopping everyone from doing bad stuff to good people. 4) its been a while since i just enjoyed my life, so im just gonna say forget trying to stop others from doing something wrong, im gonna stoip myself from doing wrong instead. (yes that means im not skipping Spanish class, and im not gonna go around falling asleep in my classes)
i admit what i did, and i admit that what i did shouldnt have been done, but i wont say that i did that for no apparent reason. my sister can agitate me and sometimes things like this do happen, but this is the 1st time that this has ever happened to such an extremity.
my over all position is this: i made a mistake, it shoulnt have happened. i wont do it again, because simply 1) im not really a person to repeat mistakes (unless im bored - game situations only). 2) if my sister wants to do stuff that gets her in trouble, or anyone else for that matter, fine let them, isnt my job to stop them. 3) if people dont want to stop other people from doing the wrong thing, then should i do it? this isnt a super hero comic, im not gonna go around stopping everyone from doing bad stuff to good people. 4) its been a while since i just enjoyed my life, so im just gonna say forget trying to stop others from doing something wrong, im gonna stoip myself from doing wrong instead. (yes that means im not skipping Spanish class, and im not gonna go around falling asleep in my classes)
I have the number of a hitman if you need it:)
lol now i worry about the people you know piro...
Glad to hear your lawyer is on board :P
Keep that number handy, Piro...
Keep that number handy, Piro...
BY the way, allow me to pass along a little story. My younger brother decided one time with a friend of his to set someone's mailbox on fire. Now he was nice about it and took the mail out before setting the box on fire. Unforutnately for these two, it was winter and there was snow on the ground. The cops got called, and followed the footprints to the two would be escapees. :D
In the end, he got sentenced to something that worked out to be a month of community service washing the state patrol cars as I recall.
Therefore, if he got that punishment on a crime that ACTUALLY is a FEDERAL crime and just got community service, I doubt you'd get anymore than that IO. (granted, chances are good that we're talking two different states and all :))
In the end, he got sentenced to something that worked out to be a month of community service washing the state patrol cars as I recall.
Therefore, if he got that punishment on a crime that ACTUALLY is a FEDERAL crime and just got community service, I doubt you'd get anymore than that IO. (granted, chances are good that we're talking two different states and all :))
lmao
omg... furball thanx for telling that... coming to school seems to be a whole lot easier when stories like your brother and his friend's, and the crazy psycho b!$#* story on AIM, are on the message board.
how do you not notice snow on the ground, and what did they do with the mail?
yes you are prolly correct furball... i doubt that these 2 situations happened in the same state.
thanx again for the humor
omg... furball thanx for telling that... coming to school seems to be a whole lot easier when stories like your brother and his friend's, and the crazy psycho b!$#* story on AIM, are on the message board.
how do you not notice snow on the ground, and what did they do with the mail?
yes you are prolly correct furball... i doubt that these 2 situations happened in the same state.
thanx again for the humor
I shoved my brother down the cellar stairs when I was a kid...all I got was him vowing everlasting "get even" rights. He has certainly taken advantage of it for the past 40 years too! :D
I received scars and concussions from my brothers (I'm the youngest of 4 boys by several years) without any legal action even discussed, but this was 20-30 years ago. Times have changed.
"I received scars and concussions from my brothers (I'm the youngest of 4 boys by several years) without any legal action even discussed, but this was 20-30 years ago. Times have changed."
-George Carlin calls it "The pussification of the American Male."
-George Carlin calls it "The pussification of the American Male."
An old roomate of mine got busted in the same style as Furball's brother. He decided to smash and grab a stereo system from a front window display. Unfortunatly (or fortunatly if your the store owner) there was enough alcohol in his system to blind him to the obvious concerns of stealing on foot immediatly following a fresh snowfall. Needless to say he served 6 months behind bars. It must of been so fun to be the cop following a set of footprints all the way back to the perps house!
One thing this demonstrates in your favour IO, your typical judge is dealing with complete IDIOTS for 80% of their day. If you are not an idiot and your not an inconsiderate bastard you'll likely get some reprive.
One thing this demonstrates in your favour IO, your typical judge is dealing with complete IDIOTS for 80% of their day. If you are not an idiot and your not an inconsiderate bastard you'll likely get some reprive.
Well, as long as we're on stupid stories:
One of my best friends (no I wasnt involved) was caught in possession of 10 ounces of cocaine. His friends (two) had handed it to him for a couple of minutes and school security (a police officer assigned to the school) discovered him and he got 2 months in Juvi and is now forced to take ROTC in school and report to a PO every week.
One of my best friends (no I wasnt involved) was caught in possession of 10 ounces of cocaine. His friends (two) had handed it to him for a couple of minutes and school security (a police officer assigned to the school) discovered him and he got 2 months in Juvi and is now forced to take ROTC in school and report to a PO every week.
still on stupid stories:
a guy on the radio (when i was in Illinois - 1 1/2 yrs. ago) told about a guy who got busted for a broken tail light, and had i think it was 10 kilos of cocaine or marijuana in his car. ScubaSteve's uncle did the calculations and it was 2 million dollars, or something to that effect.
my step-dad got locked out of his own house when he was 15, during the winter in Illinois, by his own mom for drinking all night and coming home at 2 A.M.
step-dad also broke his arm the night before he was supposed to go into the Air Force. so he ended up not being a cop but a cable slicer, dealing with wires and satalites
a guy on the radio (when i was in Illinois - 1 1/2 yrs. ago) told about a guy who got busted for a broken tail light, and had i think it was 10 kilos of cocaine or marijuana in his car. ScubaSteve's uncle did the calculations and it was 2 million dollars, or something to that effect.
my step-dad got locked out of his own house when he was 15, during the winter in Illinois, by his own mom for drinking all night and coming home at 2 A.M.
step-dad also broke his arm the night before he was supposed to go into the Air Force. so he ended up not being a cop but a cable slicer, dealing with wires and satalites
thats pretty bad...
you stepdad got drunk and locked out by his mother? HA HA, I've been there, only it was an Alaskan winter. But I was smart enough to sneak back in safely, it was the hangover (it was green beer btw, last year (2003) St. Patty's Day) the next day that got me busted, I couldn't function to go back to school and the doc my mom took me to had me take a urine test and then my BAL was 1.3 times the legal limit for a 21 year old, and about 10 times higher than is legal for a teenager. Luckily I avoided a legal problem because it went into medical files and they tried to rehab me...didnt work, needless to say, although I really cut down.
you stepdad got drunk and locked out by his mother? HA HA, I've been there, only it was an Alaskan winter. But I was smart enough to sneak back in safely, it was the hangover (it was green beer btw, last year (2003) St. Patty's Day) the next day that got me busted, I couldn't function to go back to school and the doc my mom took me to had me take a urine test and then my BAL was 1.3 times the legal limit for a 21 year old, and about 10 times higher than is legal for a teenager. Luckily I avoided a legal problem because it went into medical files and they tried to rehab me...didnt work, needless to say, although I really cut down.
lol, great story man... sounds pretty bad though.
this weekend my parents play pool in a tournament that is a bit aways away. my sister isnt here, she ticked my dad off pretty bad so she is at my brother's babysitters house and will go there for the rest of the weekend and after school everyday, till my parents pick her up. seems that they cant handle her, and are talking about what they are going to do
on better news: i got my password, my dad gave me my password because my grades were up, cept spanish which im going to fail no matter what so yeah...
this weekend my parents play pool in a tournament that is a bit aways away. my sister isnt here, she ticked my dad off pretty bad so she is at my brother's babysitters house and will go there for the rest of the weekend and after school everyday, till my parents pick her up. seems that they cant handle her, and are talking about what they are going to do
on better news: i got my password, my dad gave me my password because my grades were up, cept spanish which im going to fail no matter what so yeah...
Spanish 3=EVIL.