Recently the reputation of the Defense Ship guild has been questioned by members of the vendetta community, because of rumours of pirating, greifing, and other nonsense. These rumours are patently false, and are the result of the -SM- guild and it's members.

As some of you may know, the DSG is currently taking a police action against the -SM- guild, and will not cease until the guild is neutralized. Thus the DSG feels it necessary to outline the purpose of this action, and the guidelines we will follow during it. A Manifesto will be published through this website at www.defenseships.uni.cc by January 17th at 6PM EST explaining the conflict and actions to this point, as well as outlining future actions, and the guidlines thereof.

FM: You may lock this at will.

"FM: You may lock this at will"



DOH he can :D........SIR.

Who's Will?

-SM- has started no rumors...

Maybe this Will person is the one starting the rumors.

As the DSG is outlining I wish the SDF to provide a preliminary report.

The SDF has allied itself temporarily with the DSG in this police action as the SMs are viewed by the SDF and other Serco pilots view this guild merely as a rogue faction.

The SDF will continue to keep it's allegience with the DSG until the SM guild neutralized or acknowledges it's faults and at least take preliminary steps to fix them.

The SDF isn't against the formation of guilds in any way shape or form but is against the guilds that are based solely on destruction of peaceful craft. As soon as the SMs start to behave themeselves as a respectable force then the SDF will be all to happy to stand down for combat stance and allow the SMs their peace.

Two days ago a negotiable peace treaty was offered between the SDF and the SMs and was rejected on the basis that they dont want peace. Until this attitude changes, the SDF is forced to intervene on behalf of the Serco Nation.

[SDF] Black 1
CO, SDF

We are making those steps now Black. Things are a little confusing with all our new members and policies, give us some time to get all this tweaking of SM worked out.

-01

As I have posted in on other threads, the SDF is currently moving to DefCon 3 with the SMs. We see they are attempting to correct some of their mistakes and will not go hunting them anymore unless one of them does something completely unspeakable and at that point the SDF will target only that one member.

Whatever past actions were taken by the SM, they have been very kind as of late, at least to newb's. Kind enough for me to join the SM. I don't see why everyone flying SM tags gets targeted. I don't see what blowing me out of the sky everytime I logon solves.

OK, I for one have had enough of this BS DSG-SDF high-falootin "police action." These two guilds are griefing a newbie guild based on, .... I've lost track of what it was already. They never say what exactly the threat that SM poses to Serco. I for one could handle the entire SM team without raising a sweat--I did when they were SDF and I ambushed and killed four members in quick succession. How do they pose a threat to our team, Pyroman?

Second, how is it in the DSG's best interests to be in a treaty with Serco? If it is true that the DSG is allied with a large Serco guild, how can we expect the DSG to continue its mission of suppressing piracy, as many of us Serco are pirates (myself included)!?!

Pyroman_Ace, I suggest you and mastacrasha911 do a PM and sort this out. I know that it is incredibly humiliating to demand a public apology from another person or guild. You only create more hatred. I don't want to see this continue on the board. SDF was wrong to offer money to Phoenix. SDF was right to apologize. SDF was wrong to scapegoat the current SM members as being the problem of it all. I suggest you both put up with each other or shut up. "Police action" sounds too United Nations-ey. Either say you're at war, and state why, or be at peace.

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The SDF has allied itself temporarily with the DSG in this police action as the SMs are viewed by the SDF and other Serco pilots view this guild merely as a rogue faction.
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This is a ton of BS. It was like Longshanks saying that William Wallace was a traitor. One problem, the poor guy was Scottish, not English. Even so, -SM- members are affiliated solely with the Neutral Territories, not the Serco. To maintain that it is some Serco pilot's opinion that they are a rogue faction [of what?] is a load of malarkey. -SM- is the ONLY active NT guild, and is quite large (probably larger than the DSG, at any rate).

I probably sound hot-heated and it's because I am rather fed up with this whole misnamed "police action."
1) SDF is assuming that it has the authority to "police" other/inferior guilds.
2) SDF is assuming that it *can* "police" other/inferior guilds.

1 is "holier than thou" reasoning, and 2 is only the power of might, not right. Phoenix could declare "police action" against SDF and be quite effective at #2 because he "can," not because he should.

I for one, as a Serco pilot, am fed up with the bureaucratic and propagandistic tendencies of the SDF in its dealings with other guilds. I would support a resolution calling for a complete halt against -SM- regardless of mastacrasha911's opinion and deal with hostile actions as they arise. SDF was supposed to "defend," or maybe it's acting like the US's "Defense Department." Hmmm.

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People: Even if you don't MEAN to provoke somebody, please take a moment to consider how your post might be responded to.

He he, good point FM.

Camps, I think Pyroman's use of words like Police action, etc is really just an attempt at roleplay.

the -SM- never wanted this war in the first place... I don't know what to say but THANK YOU, SirCamps you finally said what I wish I could have for a long time now..

I'm not saying that it's not roleplaying, Magus, I'm saying it's propaganda! I tried to "police" for a long time with the DSG and it didn't work, I hope others learn the same lesson...

There is only one way the SDF can work, and that is defending ONE nation with SKILLED pilots. None of this diplomacy crap, since when has Serco been about diplomacy?

Dont try and be the police, its been tried many times (including by me and sircamps) and it just doesnt work. Defend your allies and your friends, and blast the crap out of your enemies. Dont bother trying to become top guild, because there are a lot of very good fighters that wont agree with you, and itll end in tears.

Oh, and you are NOT intervening on behalf of the Serco nation, your friendliness towards Itani and Neutral pilots in general is despicable.

Camps - hate to say it, but you left DSG thus you lost your say in how we conduct our operations. We have been personally insulted recently several times by -SM- Members with the sanctioning of the leadership (and sometimes their invlvement), most often behind our back. It's okay to object, we aren't going to go to war because someone says "Oh, I don't like the DSG" but they were spreading lies and rumours that were causing seriious problems. maybe then this is a good time to say that I am on temporarily permanent leave from vendetta.

You just better hope I remember to come back.

Just givin' my advice, young 'un. :P

On the original topic of the thread, see the adjacent thread about the actions, image, and reputation of DS12.

Ah. Well to note one thing: We can ally with anyone - so long as they aren't pirates, that fulfills our purpose.

The SM presented a threat in the form that they werre a rogue group that had split from us and was at the time acting hostile. Also SDF emotions were running high and the whole thing spilled over and started a very very wrong war. By the time anyone saw the light, the atrocities commited by both sides were too high to just despence as a mistake. Thats why the SDF and the DSG rallied.

But now we are standing down.

As for the SDF turning into a Nazi-like guild, your HORRIBLY mistaken. The SDF is merely trying to calm the galaxy for Traders and other honorable people.