I guess I'm just that powerful. Who knew...

I was referring to your being "locked out" of the stations.

Oh I misunderstood that completely, sorry. Although when your alliance was providing keys for a short while and the keys kept being revoked, it doesn't instill confidence. I don't think FAMY members were doing it but it's related to who gets the owner keys. When I help an Itan member build a trident I let him decide if or whom he will pay off.

@Harpo

Maybe I would have been better informed if you did not insist on revoking my access to ITAN forum (and diplomatic forum as well) completely and very quickly after this war started. Besides the point now, I said what needed to be said and I have no will to discuss your ifs and theories here.

The fact stands: you decided your petty interests are above your honor, your obligations and your duties as a member of an alliance and effectively broke it.

@greenwall

SKV is not allied with any pirate or Serco guilds. We have an understanding about fighting our common enemy first.

OOC: Serco/Itani conflict is the core mechanics of VO gameplay, it will not go anywhere so somehow I find VO guilds and players wars happening now more interesting and entertaining.
Claiming that Itani warrior guild whose members have tens of thousands pks on serco players lost its way is pretty silly.
If we wanted to play on serco side we would have used serco chars.

I asked for your full member access to the Itan forms be reduced because you aren't a member, and you kept jumping in on policy discussions. You overstepped your welcome and nobody took your side. But of course feel free to blame me and not take any responsibility for your behavior.

I said at the time if you want in, get an alt in the guild. Not that hard. I hadn't realized that I hurt your feelings.

For christ sake Bojan, lol.

Everybody knows your over-inflated ego and pride has prohibited you from seeing reason and only blood, and is why you have allied with anyone that hates TGFT and turned your back on ITAN. You may not be allies with ONE/RED and FAMY/EDIT in the "formal treaty" sense, but you are allies in every other sense of the word (combining and uniting resources for mutual benefit).

Thank you for finally admitting it, you fucking coward.

FAMY has no Alliances, just warrantied travelers and nonwarrantied travelers. Stop knocking our customers for having more common sense, and a greater desire for peace than you do.

Also EDIT just needs your processing fees and then they are literally the best drinking buddies on the entire eastern fringe.

Claiming that Itani warrior guild whose members have tens of thousands pks on serco players lost its way is pretty silly.

Actually claiming that lots of PKs proves anything about direction or sanity is pretty silly, they are not necessarily related. But I think the fact that you decided to work with the Serco nationalists and pirates, does speak to direction and sanity. You have definitely lost your way, and with every half-baked reply you make, it's clearer.

ahahaha this thread is golden!

harpo tells bojan that SKV have stopped being itani nationalists and that they should go back to being them instead of fighting idiotic grey space wars that have nothing to do with the RP they claim to do.

bojan then goes to accuse harpo of betraying SKV because Itan did not support them in their stupid wars and instead did their job: fighting the serco.

get real bojan. your times are over. SKV is no more than 3 bitter clowns fighrting traders and pirates in grey space. they get support from bitter serco, weaker pirate guilds and from wannabe VPR who put some alts in SKV do it doesnt look as pathetic as it is. or they dont even hide it and play their main... you are no itani "soldiers".

@Harpo
As I said, discussing this is besides the point. I said what needed to be said. I am not interested in ITAN members petty interests, struggles for power within guild or just your willy-nilly attitude about honoring a pledge a real alliance brings.
Alliance. Look it in the dictionary.
And no, no hurt feelings, this is just a game.

@Greenwall
Leave your demon worshipping out of this please. I don't have ego problems, ask anyone who knows me well and who can actually talk to you without disgust.
I am playing a game here under assumption that people (even if they lack it in RL) can show some honor and integrity in game. Not everything is just about using every trick or exploit to get the upper hand over the rest of the player base.
Also, not everyone is cut out of the same cloth as you, Icky, tsrektum, Sieger or Harpo, other players actually do have honor and integrity.

@XeraX
Thank you for your 'idiots abridged version' of what transpired in this thread. This filled my quota of stupid for the entire day.
You can go rest now, you did well.

"I don't have ego problems"
-Bojan

har har har........ har har har!

I am not interested in ITAN members petty interests, struggles for power within guild or just your willy-nilly attitude about honoring a pledge a real alliance brings.

You sure seem interested in assigning petty motives to people when you know just about nothing of what you speak. It's hard to parse your writing with absolute certainty but I think you're implying that I'm after power in my guild? Members of Itan will I'm sure find that amusing since I've turned down more nominations for office than probably any other member.

An alliance doesn't mean the two parties can each send the other to war, that would be the child's interpretation. We followed our procedures and didn't agree on the action you wanted. Realize that you don't dictate Itan's policies and that differences in the actions of two guilds does not preclude alliances. My only action against you is to point out the fallacies you present, all the other things you've dreamed up about me are just the product of your hyper-active imagination, lack of understanding, and you being trolled by others.

I think ITAN deserves a more skilled lieutenant.

I humbly suggest greenwall for that position.

Fasana

@Harpo

You have very interesting view on what constitutes an alliance, in our case - defensive alliance.

Alliance is not us sitting together by the table playing cards and drinking and when we get attacked, you excuse yourself and run like the wind to hide and immediately start colluding with our enemies.
Alliance is not colluding with our enemies and pledging to them your support and logistics for furthering their interests and war efforts against your ally. Neither is it openly fighting along our enemies to protect their interest and goals against us.

Yeah, I suppose this is my very childish view of what defensive alliance is about.

How about we return to my first reply to you in this thread and call it the day.

Itan vs SKV war!

/me grabs popcorn and waits for it to happen

Harpo summed up:



It's quite sad that ITAN is revealed to be a pseudo-nationalist guild that prioritizes moneymaking over real allies, and would do anything to make even more money including associating itself with one of the most despicable characters in game. BAD! SAD!

Sad days indeed...

"Les affaires sont les affaires"

If SKV weren't actively protecting Serco and their access to the conquerable stations, ITAN might be more willing to help them fight their holy war against TGFT. As it stands now, TGFT and ITAN have a common enemy in ONE. Money has nothing to do with the matter.

Bojan, I've told you before that we'll share our keys with SKV and aid in capture of any station in the name of the Itani people, as long as the end result does not facilitate Serco access. Feel free to give me a call when you're done selling out and taking orders from pirates.

Anyone want to tell ARF TGFT has Serco in it?

@Arf

This is not the way I expected to have this talk with you Arf but, since you opened it up like this, lets talk.

If SKV weren't actively protecting Serco and their access to the conquerable stations, ITAN might be more willing to help them fight their holy war against TGFT.

Until a month or two ago SKV was holding all stations and fighting ONE & TGFT. We still did not have a war going on with VOID (TGFT plan to turn them into their puppets was still ongoing) so what was stopping you then from acting like a true ally?
In fact, what was stopping you for a year and half this war has been going on when we were fighting TGFT, RED, ONE & Greenwall in all his reincarnations to act as our true ally?
Somehow after waiting for a year and half for ITAN to start acting like a true ally we gave up on you.

And now you suddenly changed your mind and want to turn your back on your trusty partners in TGFT & VOID and become again a true SKV ally, why Arf? You could not care less for a year and half, you worked with and helped our enemies during all that time so why now a sudden change of hearth?

Bojan, I've told you before that we'll share our keys with SKV and aid in capture of any station in the name of the Itani people, as long as the end result does not facilitate Serco access.

Serco (ONE & RED) had no access to conq stations for more then a few hours daily for a year and half. During that time you were actively helping TGFT and sharing keys with them and also enjoyed free access to stations on SKV keys. Everyone knows this.

Feel free to give me a call when you're done selling out and taking orders from pirates.

Selling out? ITAN sold out our alliance a year and half ago and kept colluding with TGFT and working against our war efforts and helping TGFT all of that time. Maybe you have too many TGFT alts in ITAN, maybe Harpo couldn't part with his TGFT buddies who provided him mullah, I don't know why and frankly I don't care.

You sold us out and now you are coming back all righteous and pouty because we gave up on you as our ally after waiting for you to act like one for a year and half?
Somehow, in that time, we learned the hard way that some of Itan members cannot be trusted ever. Can you say we now have a good reason to start trusting them again? What's changed?

I remember itan, in the days of old. I was just a beginner in September 2013, I chose an Itani character and all the sudden I'm in a guild that's for battling in Deneb, ITAN. Ancient Panther,hepfree,harpo,arf... they are really awesome guys and their purpose is the annihilation of the smv, Npc and or player. I loved my time in it and occasionally came back and left to try out other guilds, I learned a little combat from failure in famy then came back to Itan. I then again left for good to try out guilds, I've been for tgft, then red, and starting making guilds until I have my dream guild Animal Alliance. I'm glad to see some Itan are returning and I find it a shame that skv, having shared "roots for a long time" is disliking itan for helping other players or getting help to rid edras of edit (hail zaire!) I am disappointed in skv for disliking people trying to get help. Especially when they just watch pirates roaming around and have alts in the pirate guild anyway.

Much huggles, Co of AMAL -atc- scout.