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Collusion:
"secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others."
-The footage being posted publicly makes it not a secret.
-The fact that neither of us benefited tactically in any way, actually going as far as to attack me for pirating you, makes it in no way cooperation.
-You lot aren't pirates. If I was going to conspire against you, it would not be in collusion with pirate hunters.
By the very definition I have a higher claim than you of being colluded, as I was the one attacked by a member of my own group, in response to blowing you up.
So unless you have evidence that you were somehow cheated or deceived, I stand by what I said about your claims being baseless.
On the surface it just seems you are upset that SKV is able to be diplomatic with pirates and vipers alike, whereas you, are not. Must be lonely up there at the self proclaimed top...
Only people who's opinions I respect are capable of insulting my intelligence.
-Nith
"secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others."
-The footage being posted publicly makes it not a secret.
-The fact that neither of us benefited tactically in any way, actually going as far as to attack me for pirating you, makes it in no way cooperation.
-You lot aren't pirates. If I was going to conspire against you, it would not be in collusion with pirate hunters.
By the very definition I have a higher claim than you of being colluded, as I was the one attacked by a member of my own group, in response to blowing you up.
So unless you have evidence that you were somehow cheated or deceived, I stand by what I said about your claims being baseless.
On the surface it just seems you are upset that SKV is able to be diplomatic with pirates and vipers alike, whereas you, are not. Must be lonely up there at the self proclaimed top...
Only people who's opinions I respect are capable of insulting my intelligence.
-Nith
Collude: to work with others secretly especially in order to do something illegal or dishonest
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1) It was not made public at the time that VPR was in a group with their sworn enemies, thus it was secret. That it was made public at a later time does not unmake the original act of secrecy. Does admitting you lied about something make it not a lie? No. Use your brain.
2) VPR operating in a group with those it is sworn to destroy (including the preferential avoidance of targeting those members) is dishonest behavior in accordance with their guild description that includes the mandate of "suppression of all criminals".
Conclusion: VPR colluded with pirates.
-You lot aren't pirates. If I was going to conspire against you, it would not be in collusion with pirate hunters.
FAMY has a proven track record of colluding with guilds that (according to their guild descriptions) should be sworn enemies: RED/ONE/SKV, etc. So not only have you done it, continue to do it, but it is also tactically smart to do so, even if it causes a ruckus. FAMY on it's own isn't strong enough to make a difference.
Only people who's opinions I respect are capable of insulting my intelligence.
I'm sure the little pebbles of sand that surround your head find that comment delightful.
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1) It was not made public at the time that VPR was in a group with their sworn enemies, thus it was secret. That it was made public at a later time does not unmake the original act of secrecy. Does admitting you lied about something make it not a lie? No. Use your brain.
2) VPR operating in a group with those it is sworn to destroy (including the preferential avoidance of targeting those members) is dishonest behavior in accordance with their guild description that includes the mandate of "suppression of all criminals".
Conclusion: VPR colluded with pirates.
-You lot aren't pirates. If I was going to conspire against you, it would not be in collusion with pirate hunters.
FAMY has a proven track record of colluding with guilds that (according to their guild descriptions) should be sworn enemies: RED/ONE/SKV, etc. So not only have you done it, continue to do it, but it is also tactically smart to do so, even if it causes a ruckus. FAMY on it's own isn't strong enough to make a difference.
Only people who's opinions I respect are capable of insulting my intelligence.
I'm sure the little pebbles of sand that surround your head find that comment delightful.
Your ignorance of something does not make it a secret, just makes you ignorant.
No less than 5 guilds were aware of the grouping, I've never considered announcing my group list on 100, have you?
You also completely missed the point of the video: It was show you that a viper shot me while in the group. Something you claimed to be false, and after being proven wrong, decided to ignore. If we're turning this into a debate about intelligence, I'm beginning to question yours as well.
For all your guild's talk about how irrelevant and weak our guild is, it's surprising we are able to get the reaction we do from you guys...
Can you explain to me why members under your leadership pay us for protection if you really feel this way?
-Nith
No less than 5 guilds were aware of the grouping, I've never considered announcing my group list on 100, have you?
You also completely missed the point of the video: It was show you that a viper shot me while in the group. Something you claimed to be false, and after being proven wrong, decided to ignore. If we're turning this into a debate about intelligence, I'm beginning to question yours as well.
For all your guild's talk about how irrelevant and weak our guild is, it's surprising we are able to get the reaction we do from you guys...
Can you explain to me why members under your leadership pay us for protection if you really feel this way?
-Nith
Targeting the greater threat before worrying about lesser threats is a perfectly legitimate strategy, nothing for VPR to be ashamed of. Neither is temporarily working with those lesser threats to eliminate the greater one. And they certainly have no obligation to inform their prey of their strategy.
Well Rin, by Greenies' logic undercover police officers are colluding with criminals.
I don't overthink situations. I was invited to a group by a friend, namely Elder. I joined and there were some of my enemies in it. I don't mind taking with my enemies and knowing what their location is, so I stayed. Being grouped with someone DOES NOT mean that you're working with them. In furballs, I shoot whoever is closest and/or whoever is shooting at me. I did just that. I rest my case and will comment no more on the matter because the underlying fact is that the claims are coming from a discreditable source.
Back to the main point.
Is this thing going on again this Friday night or what? Cause if you are planning on doing it then you should post an official event so that everyone can see it when they log in.
Back to the main point.
Is this thing going on again this Friday night or what? Cause if you are planning on doing it then you should post an official event so that everyone can see it when they log in.
Sevezin, your intentions and the degree to which you thought about things are secondary to what actually occurred and were capture on video and released publicly. Your way out of this conflict with me would be to apologize and admit it was a mistake on your part to be part of that group, not to falsely accuse me of being a discreditable source. Do you want to help VPR retain it's honor or not?
@nith
Your ignorance of something does not make it a secret, just makes you ignorant.
Ignorance is not the same thing as being uninformed. You might know that if you weren't so...ignorant yourself.
You also completely missed the point of the video:
I didn't miss the point, I disqualified it.
For all your guild's talk about how irrelevant and weak our guild is, it's surprising we are able to get the reaction we do from you guys...
VPR is getting my reaction, not you. It's fun to watch you try to defend VPR though.
Well Rin, by Greenies' logic undercover police officers are colluding with criminals.
That is not my logic, sorry. VPR were not undercover.
@bojan
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@nith
Your ignorance of something does not make it a secret, just makes you ignorant.
Ignorance is not the same thing as being uninformed. You might know that if you weren't so...ignorant yourself.
You also completely missed the point of the video:
I didn't miss the point, I disqualified it.
For all your guild's talk about how irrelevant and weak our guild is, it's surprising we are able to get the reaction we do from you guys...
VPR is getting my reaction, not you. It's fun to watch you try to defend VPR though.
Well Rin, by Greenies' logic undercover police officers are colluding with criminals.
That is not my logic, sorry. VPR were not undercover.
@bojan
heh
Who the fuck really cares besides his drama queen highness Greenwall?
I don't overthink situations. I was invited to a group by a friend, namely Elder.
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If you want Wally to stop trolling.... the only thing you need to say is - You win Wally!
I am the guilty one here since I invited Sevezin to my group near the end of the furball when I saw him log-in in D-14.
He enjoys good fights so I thought he would welcome the chance to shoot someone.
He jumped in B-8 once during the last moments of the furball, he had a fight with someone, probably Nith and then he went afk.
After the furball was over he got in B-8 again and enjoyed some fights with Nith and The Dentist.
I apologize to Sevezin for putting him into the situation where he needs to even think about defending his actions from wally's trolling.
@Sieger
Yeah, lol, I have friends and you have Greenwall. To each his own.
I am the guilty one here since I invited Sevezin to my group near the end of the furball when I saw him log-in in D-14.
He enjoys good fights so I thought he would welcome the chance to shoot someone.
He jumped in B-8 once during the last moments of the furball, he had a fight with someone, probably Nith and then he went afk.
After the furball was over he got in B-8 again and enjoyed some fights with Nith and The Dentist.
I apologize to Sevezin for putting him into the situation where he needs to even think about defending his actions from wally's trolling.
@Sieger
Yeah, lol, I have friends and you have Greenwall. To each his own.
Why would I want Wally to stop? You call it trolling, I call it keeping my YouTube show at the top of the forum well into the next week without violating any forum rules.
"VPR were not undercover."
Or you were uninformed and therefore ignorant.
@Sev
Thanks for the inquiry. I had originally planned to make this an event, but decided against it for a few reasons, mostly due to timezones and RL. First my play time on Friday's can start after many EU and others are asleep and I didn't want to rule anyone out. Second I want people at their best, so having them fight a wide awake me while they were fighting off sleep themselves also seemed unfair.
So, forgive the deceptive title. Anyone who 1v1s me at any time during the week has a chance of being in a FNF. Friday is simply that weeks cutoff, and after playing on Friday, I go through all of my footage and pick a pilot to feature. The only requirement is that they have to be able to beat me to be eligible. The goal was to highlight different playstyles and skill sets, and to show off how many great and unique pilots VO has to offer. I also am willing to pvp someone specifically to try and get featured in an episode, but again the scheduling of that can be rather flexible.
Cheers,
-Nith
"VPR were not undercover."
Or you were uninformed and therefore ignorant.
@Sev
Thanks for the inquiry. I had originally planned to make this an event, but decided against it for a few reasons, mostly due to timezones and RL. First my play time on Friday's can start after many EU and others are asleep and I didn't want to rule anyone out. Second I want people at their best, so having them fight a wide awake me while they were fighting off sleep themselves also seemed unfair.
So, forgive the deceptive title. Anyone who 1v1s me at any time during the week has a chance of being in a FNF. Friday is simply that weeks cutoff, and after playing on Friday, I go through all of my footage and pick a pilot to feature. The only requirement is that they have to be able to beat me to be eligible. The goal was to highlight different playstyles and skill sets, and to show off how many great and unique pilots VO has to offer. I also am willing to pvp someone specifically to try and get featured in an episode, but again the scheduling of that can be rather flexible.
Cheers,
-Nith
"VPR were not undercover."
Or you were uninformed and therefore ignorant.
Nope.
Or you were uninformed and therefore ignorant.
Nope.
Guess we'll just have to disagree in that regard. Any chance on you answering my question?
what question?
"For all your guild's talk about how irrelevant and weak our guild is, it's surprising we are able to get the reaction we do from you guys...
Can you explain to me why members under your leadership pay us for protection if you really feel this way?"
You chose to answer the part that was not a question.
Can you explain to me why members under your leadership pay us for protection if you really feel this way?"
You chose to answer the part that was not a question.
I assumed it was a question based on a false premise crafted to troll me.
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Do you require video evidence to answer the question? Or can I assume you haven't asked for proof due to expecting it to be true?
I could care less if VOID members pay FAMY out of their own pockets. I'm surprised VOID members even get offered such service, honestly, with me at the helm.
Anyone can purchase our services. At least Blaqk had the stones to threaten removal of any VOID caught purchasing our products. I guess with you at the helm VOID is now more of a trade guild than we even realized. Fret not, you too can buy one.