We seem to be forgetting that Nation War isn't exactly an RP thing. Why would all the nations line up in the same sector for 10 minutes while watching the other armies build up their armies and then charge after a countdown? And then give credits to the army if they lose? This is a team death match that draws all the players in one spot every week, whether they normally be inactive or not, to duke it out for no reason other than credits and the fun of fighting in an epic battle next to their friends.

Real role-playing battles are picked out in the field with skirmishes and furballs; CS, you can most likely agree to that. If battles like that aren't happening for someone, then they most likely aren't doing their job as a nationalist player. Maybe Guild should add gameplay to encourage this, maybe conquerable stations should be redone to accommodate the kind of gameplay similar to regular-ass furballs, and hell yes we need a faction redux ASAP... but the notion that a grey team is the reason why "nation wars just don't have turnouts like they used to" is just total paranoia.

At the very least, native KoS should be enough.

Don't you think greyspacers wouldn't bet and watch 3 elite teams of fighters from opposite nations kill eachoter, think of it like the sleazy gritty olympics.

Actually This thread is an example why several of us got tired of NW.

Too many Rules
Too much Politics
Too much BS

i dont usually participate in nation war anyways a grey team is just hard to target "hey why is that other blue guy shooting me"

He's grey

No he's blue!

Plus I have other interesting things to do

Hard to target? Just go for people who are not in your group. -.-

It's hard to imagine, I know, but there have been NWs where more than 8 pilots have been on one side.

If they are your nation color but are kos they will be red on your radar so this argument is stupid and before anyone says yeah but what about people with high standing that are not of my nation. No Itani have ever complained about me being green on there radar that I have ever been at. Not to mention there are tri pos players who attend nation war and no one has complained. So in all this argument is only brought up when people have run out of excuses.

Agrees with peytros.

Oh, and CS.. having fun with that Serco alt yet? heh, Itani nationalist my ass.

It's difficult to do things as an Itani nationalist unless there are enemy Serco.

NW is not really a war, as ST stated. It is SPORTS. Sports have rules, field, schedule...

And for gray team, what makes sense is require native KoS.

Or, more simple approach, whoever is not in your group is foe.

All those problems would be solved with one of alternatives:
-Create another nation, for rats.
-Automate NW integrating with mission system.

Both requires Dev intense labour...

Why not make next NW a more open event, allowing anything but pets?

aww you bring up my alt as if it is a secret. How cute

Some people miss the bus on what an "alt" is

This is all the devs fault for not having a completeted faction system anyways until that stuff gets messed with i'll just have the grey team there.

"Why not make next NW a more open event, allowing anything but pets?" I would Alloh but let me make a hypothetical situation where Team A has a taur with a couple of Lmine launchers Team B-C-D are busy furballing it up and team A puts a couple of Lmines in the furball and wipes out a large portion of team B-C-D at the end of the nation war the host is gonna have to deal with a whining shit-storm from teams B C and D

Pointless swarm spamming is annoying and useless and people who know how to use swarms at close range will be extremely deadly, and will probably wipe out anyone who ignores them for half a second.

PaKettle - "Actually This thread is an example why several of us got tired of NW.

Too many Rules
Too much Politics
Too much BS"

See the problems in the forums not in-game plus you're really overstating the situation so STFU.

Anyways I'll have the nation war like its been recently with a grey team I just thought it would be cool to actually have a team of hardcore rats, and a bit more RPness in the nation war
but since I forgot that most of the community in the last year or so doesn't give half a shit about RPing and just want to play a spacequake FPS. You can have your grey team, valks, SCP's and WTD's.

Now get the hell out of my thread before I open a can of triple distilled whoopass.

"Why not make next NW a more open event, allowing anything but pets?" I would Alloh but let me make a hypothetical situation where Team A has a taur with a couple of Lmine launchers Team B-C-D are busy furballing it up and team A puts a couple of Lmines in the furball and wipes out a large portion of team B-C-D at the end of the nation war the host is gonna have to deal with a whining shit-storm from teams B C and D

Then he made a really good strategic move, and with a lot of guts.

Pointless swarm spamming is annoying and useless and people who know how to use swarms at close range will be extremely deadly, and will probably wipe out anyone who ignores them for half a second.

You can't make an entire team out of swarm spammers, they'd be ripped to shreds by fighters that know what to do. Once a swarm spammer is pin pointed, too, everyone would be all over them. Not to mention that reloading is unavailable and the risk that arises from a few missed shots is pretty great.

Using swarms and lmines effectively in NW probably requires more coordination than valk spam. When we were allowing them, it was really hard to get people out of their interceptors to test the concept... and even then, having a repair gun on your support flyer is arguably more effective. The reason why these two weapons were banned in the first place was the advantage that lag gave them, but the devs fixed that.

"since when do you see Somali pirates flying down to the states to buy destroyer warships and patriot missles..."

hmmm? let me think....ah they dont need to because...
trade was invented?
delivery was invented?
US military industrial complex was invented?

any other suggestion?

But nice post anyway, please keep flamming, it made my day.

PS: ye seemed a bit grunchy, ye really need some leaves to smoke

PPS : ah i forgot bleed well : )

PPPS: if i ever show meself in yer NW can i be in the Plants team for my RP sake? : ]

PPPS: if i ever show meself in yer NW can i be in the Plants team for my RP sake? : ]

That is as fair as a gray team... then GREENWEED team!

"I'm curious... how many people fit the tri-KOS bill?"

Benerrandis, last I checked is KoS to about eleven factions. All the heart of a homicidal maniac, half the combat skill. A pity.

Actually This thread is an example why several of us got tired of NW.

Too many Rules
Too much Politics
Too much BS

Wrong. You're tired of NW, because you're loser.

PaKettle: Actually This thread is an example why several of us got tired of NW.

Too many Rules
Too much Politics
Too much BS

pirren: Wrong. You're tired of NW, because you're loser.

No, he's right. Several of us are tired of Nation War, and losing doesn't factor into the equation besides being pudgy jabs from your immaturity about the situation.

Actually This thread is an example why several of us got tired of NW.

Too many Rules
Too much Politics
Too much BS

I agree, though I still attend to shoot people.