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Lecter, I can't comment on the success rate of Vipers 4 years ago, but I don't see how that's relevant. I can attest to the success rate more recently and certainly for the last 2 years since I've taken over responsibility for training and began keeping track.
Hmm. Mmhmm. Well, I've got two things to say to all that.
1. [EMS] says hi.
2. If I escape a pirate, I'll laugh. If I don't, I'll heartily congratulate the pirate. If I'm not in the mood for either, I'll pay the fellow however much he asks minus one credit. As it stands, money is not really an issue (only in-game, though... :/).
See, people need to learn to waffle (no, not Waffles). Whenever two people argument, you'll find that the proper answer is usually right between them... VPR is effective, but only to a certain degree. You can pirate people, but will only earn a certain amount... some will escape and then some will pay you and escape with a cargo multiple times the worth of the payment.
Btw... VPR, thank the pirates for giving you a purpose. Pirates, thank VPR for giving you a thrill. :P
1. [EMS] says hi.
2. If I escape a pirate, I'll laugh. If I don't, I'll heartily congratulate the pirate. If I'm not in the mood for either, I'll pay the fellow however much he asks minus one credit. As it stands, money is not really an issue (only in-game, though... :/).
See, people need to learn to waffle (no, not Waffles). Whenever two people argument, you'll find that the proper answer is usually right between them... VPR is effective, but only to a certain degree. You can pirate people, but will only earn a certain amount... some will escape and then some will pay you and escape with a cargo multiple times the worth of the payment.
Btw... VPR, thank the pirates for giving you a purpose. Pirates, thank VPR for giving you a thrill. :P
someone in VPR yelled at me once then I yelled back and they apologized and left me alone.
Whenever two people argument, you'll find that the proper answer is usually right between them.
And that illogical and fundamentally flawed attitude is why I hate arbitration/mediation and love me some actual litigation. Winner, loser, done.
And that illogical and fundamentally flawed attitude is why I hate arbitration/mediation and love me some actual litigation. Winner, loser, done.
This same topic of Viper's "infallible" escort services came up in the last thread of this kind.
I would like to warn traders that in most cases having a Viper escort increases the likelihood of you being destroyed! The reason being twofold:
1. We see you flying with a Viper we already know you have no intention of paying.
2. When we have outside resistance to our activities we tend to shoot first and ask for payment later.
My favorite example is the incident a few months ago where a trader moth surrounded by 4 CHRN pirates announced his intention to pay over Sector. Strat charged in anyway, getting the trader and himself killed.
Pay or run, but don't use a Viper, they'll just get you killed.
I would like to warn traders that in most cases having a Viper escort increases the likelihood of you being destroyed! The reason being twofold:
1. We see you flying with a Viper we already know you have no intention of paying.
2. When we have outside resistance to our activities we tend to shoot first and ask for payment later.
My favorite example is the incident a few months ago where a trader moth surrounded by 4 CHRN pirates announced his intention to pay over Sector. Strat charged in anyway, getting the trader and himself killed.
Pay or run, but don't use a Viper, they'll just get you killed.
1. We see you flying with a Viper we already know you have no intention of paying.
99.99% of the time, you'll never see a pirate if you're being escorted. That's the point.
If a pirate jumps into sector before you reach a jump point, we'll do our best to keep the pirates occupied until you can jump to safety. I'll admit it is damned difficult to defend a ship, no matter how good the pilot is... though my record speaks for itself. We are not infallible, but our failures are very few, and very damned far between.
As for "more likely to die"... bullshit. The choice you propose (pay or be destroyed) is a false one. Anyone with half a brain can see that.
99.99% of the time, you'll never see a pirate if you're being escorted. That's the point.
If a pirate jumps into sector before you reach a jump point, we'll do our best to keep the pirates occupied until you can jump to safety. I'll admit it is damned difficult to defend a ship, no matter how good the pilot is... though my record speaks for itself. We are not infallible, but our failures are very few, and very damned far between.
As for "more likely to die"... bullshit. The choice you propose (pay or be destroyed) is a false one. Anyone with half a brain can see that.
omg, get a brain.
this thread is titled: Official " I do not pay Pirates " Vow list.
pirates can make a post stating their opinion of the merits of paying, or the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of escorts, or the phases of the moon. but past one post per point, it is just spammage, and not deserving of a response.
Stick to the topic.
this thread is titled: Official " I do not pay Pirates " Vow list.
pirates can make a post stating their opinion of the merits of paying, or the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of escorts, or the phases of the moon. but past one post per point, it is just spammage, and not deserving of a response.
Stick to the topic.
Me: Anyone with half a brain can see that.
Roda: omg, get a brain.
Stop stealing my lines!
And on that note, yah, back on topic works for me. I think you can count absolutely count me in on this list.
Roda: omg, get a brain.
Stop stealing my lines!
And on that note, yah, back on topic works for me. I think you can count absolutely count me in on this list.
The Viper is too dimmed by devotion to his cause to understand. If we see a Viper escorting a trader, we don't hail, we don't give you a choice. We destroy the trade vessel and ignore the Viper until it's done. If you don't see a pirate during an escort it's because there isn't one around. Atice would have you believe we avoid an escorted trader, which is absurd.
If you have an escort, you'll die, you won't get a choice, and Atice knows damn well that's the truth.
If you have an escort, you'll die, you won't get a choice, and Atice knows damn well that's the truth.
His claim, Tumble, is that VPR mostly "escorts" by scouting ahead while the trader waits somewhere safe. Obviously the trader has to move into the scouted sector at some point, but there's some truth to his claim that you don't see snakes and cows in the same space if the former is escorting the latter.
But yes, if a VPR turns up, we're going to kill the cow so we can focus on the snake.
But yes, if a VPR turns up, we're going to kill the cow so we can focus on the snake.
Escorts are great, I was infact today working up some form of percentage, so that all parties can make a profit.
Crazy spence I will have hook up with you and chat sometime.
Lots of good information here I will read it thoroughly tomorrow I just skimmed it after getting home from the hospital.
After good read I will make sure to update the list and reply to everyone.
Thanks for the support guys =).
Crazy spence I will have hook up with you and chat sometime.
Lots of good information here I will read it thoroughly tomorrow I just skimmed it after getting home from the hospital.
After good read I will make sure to update the list and reply to everyone.
Thanks for the support guys =).
if you want a truly effective escort use me!
I have angried up the blood of the pirates so much that they'll always choose to kill me and while I am dieing you can run away!
I have angried up the blood of the pirates so much that they'll always choose to kill me and while I am dieing you can run away!
Riiiiight.
Lecter clarified my point pretty well, Tumble. Point is, the goal of an escort is to ensure the safety of the pilot being guarded. The best way to do this is to have the trader avoid opposition forces (hence the Secret Service sending advance men to secure an area before the President arrives). If by chance an enemy happens to show up while the trader is in-sector (very rare), we do what we can to keep the aggressor occupied so that the trader has a chance to escape. Of course, there is more to our strategy than posted here... trade secrets are trade secrets.
A note to traders; trading in a sector that a Viper is in does not guarantee your safety (due in part to the point laid out by tumble earlier). What does keep you safe is contacting us for escort in advance. If we are in a sector with a trader that we are not escorting, and a pirate enters said sector, we will engage the pirate; as the trader and the pirate are already in the same sector, and as we were not in previous communication with the trader... both our options and the possibility of success are limited in such a situation.
A note to traders; trading in a sector that a Viper is in does not guarantee your safety (due in part to the point laid out by tumble earlier). What does keep you safe is contacting us for escort in advance. If we are in a sector with a trader that we are not escorting, and a pirate enters said sector, we will engage the pirate; as the trader and the pirate are already in the same sector, and as we were not in previous communication with the trader... both our options and the possibility of success are limited in such a situation.
What about making a "no dinner invitation for me" thread?
: )
PS: it would work better if ye add the magic word "Pleaze" : )
: )
PS: it would work better if ye add the magic word "Pleaze" : )
We knew this before atice, what we'll now do with less frequency is engage a viper in combat, because you never know when there's a trader waiting on the other side of the WH :D
good point tumble, i guess then the thing to do is run around in circles while you get somebody to come around from the other side after the trader. cause if you jump the trader will too and he would have a head start on ya.