And what if a group of players decides that they will not allow NW to be hosted in "their" space?

bojansplash how would that be fair? im not doing anything that breaks game mechanics just because a bunch of people cry over not being able to host a secret event doesn't mean they should be allowed to break game mechanics for having a tournament in space they never play in except for 2 times a week for about 10 minutes. now maybe if nation war was supported by gs and the devs and was some sort of official thing then that would fly.

Maalik
If you do end up running the event, how will you deal with the peypey affair?
You must have some sort of solution if you say you can make it run smoother.

Basically I talked to peytros and asked him if I ran the event and unbanned him if he would end his war against NW and he said yes. I respect the desire to punish anti-social behavior but exclusion has so far proven counterproductive.

Generally, I have closer ties to Grey than Surbius and can kick people's asses ingame better than Surbius and I have suspected (though, I am may be jinxing myself horribly here) that these things will allow me to run the event more efficiently than him.

It is a gamble, but worth a try.

Eventually, as the VO population grows, we will need some changes to the game mechanics if we want these kinds of public events to continue. This is being talked about in Suggestions. For now, though, some less abrasive hosting might do the trick.

Yes please.

I'd feel a lot better about nationwar if it were hosted by Maalik, personally. To be entirely honest surb's hosting style leads me to believe that he sees the even as an opportunity to feel important and impose arbitration on the community rather than to provide a service to it.

All you had to do was ask.

Although I wonder what everyone else thinks besides pirates/grays.

If I understood Incarnate correctly... GS will soon introduce "event registration" so player run events will become a part of regular VO features supported by devs and guides.

And to answer peytros...
GS & VO has always been and still is proud of its small but kind and well behaved intellectual community. With your "manners" you just don't belong here.
I know you can sense that but as a stubborn and not the sharpest tool in the shed you are persistent in your "revenge" attempts to spoil the gameplay for everyone else.
Sadly, you are just succeeding in alienating yourself from the community.
Nobody will ever remember you as a good or memorable player/pilot no matter what you manage to do.
Somebody will probably notice you left at some point and say that famous line: "good riddance to bad trash".

ok so bojan bascily you are a fucking douche who wants to keep vo to himself and his buttbuddies and not let anyone else play any differently from them. great i can't wait to see you cry to the devs when i blow up your station or cap ship. and who made you spoksmen for the devs? im sure they just love a bunch of ninnys running the community that wont let anyone else and such low player rates that they can barely scrape by.

yeah real good logic bojan

Although I wonder what everyone else thinks besides pirates/grays.

So long as you are playing in their sandbox and are incapable of defending yourself against them, you might want to worry more about the pirates/greys' opinions.

As strange as it may seem Peytros does need to be here. Sooner or later Guild will have to figure out how to deal with this type of player...Every crowd has an poor sport in it and Peytros is ours.

We cannot make a deal with him however. As soon as you pay off Peytros then two more arse's will show up and make more demands. Appeasement will never work anyway because in reality this type of player only wants to destroy the game.What ever reason he gives for his behaviour is nothing more then a convienient excuse and nothing he promises can be believed as he will eventually break his word.

As strange as it may seem Peytros does need to be here. Sooner or later Guild will have to figure out how to deal with this type of player...Every crowd has an poor sport in it and Peytros is ours.

We cannot make a deal with him however. As soon as you pay off Peytros then two more arse's will show up and make more demands. Appeasement will never work anyway because in reality this type of player only wants to destroy the game.What ever reason he gives for his behaviour is nothing more then a convienient excuse and nothing he promises can be believed as he will eventually break his word.

@peytros
I speak as I see things. My opinion is just my own so I will share one more since it looks like I hit the jackpot with the last one:
With your actions in-game and your posts in this forum you are constantly causing irreparable damage to VO and GS credibility in a ways you cant even comprehend.

Can VO live without me or you? Sure it can.
But it would certainly do much better without your obscene and idiotic rants on public channel and similar posts in forum.
If lowlifes like you are the future of VO it sure draws a pretty picture and maybe it is time for us "others" to leave.

why do you guys keep acting like i want to destroy the game? i just want to keep people out of greyspace who never play in greyspace except for their twice a week nation war and act like they can boss people around with out really calling grey there home.

how is that in any way destroying the game? in months or years from now when people have their own stations will someone blowing up another persons station cause this same kind of outrage? "oh no you destroyed my beacon in grey you are ruining the game!"

have you ever played any other mmo bojan? the high and mighty like you always leave because they can't comprehend people intruding on their perfect little world.

now you can keep spitting out allegations about me causing damage to vo or gs but until you can come up with some facts it's just your version of name calling. I don't think anyone thinks "oh this guy named peytros is an ass guild software must make shitty games" that just doesn't follow any logical thought process.

I think vo would be better if players started using their heads insted of crying to the devs to create a perfect world for them in a pvp free zone.

P.S i will not interupt nation war is maalik &c is the host as he is generally well accepted by the grey community where nation war is held

@ peytros
I will state the obvious just so YOU can comprehend, since everyone else got it long time ago.

I died thousand times and killed other players thousands of times during the past 6 years in VO. Shooting people and dying is not the issue here, it is the way you do it.
Were there players who hated me or disliked me, sure, I have no doubt but... nobody ever thought of me as rude griefer, uncivilized brat using obscene language and behaving like a village idiot.

So the bottom line is: its not what you do but how you do it.

Your lack of manners is the real problem. Obscene and rude language combined with griefing whenever you play is giving VO a bad image.
I am sure there are a lot of people that play games and behave just like you but majority of people who do play online games do not fall into your category.
VO is in a dare need to appeal to that silent majority and attract those players in order to live on.

again with the unsupported claims bojansplash i don't think i am hurting vendettas image or anyone elses but my own by playing how I want to. Also seeing as you are the only one making a fuss about it i can only assume this silent majority you are talking about only includes you.

also if rude manners is really the problem then i guess its ok to kick people out of greyspace while in nationwar just aslong as i hug them afterwords right?

/vote Host Maalik

There are no measures we can take to bar peytroll from fucking up events. If Maalik wants to host NW, by all means do so. The problem remains even though peytroll has promised to behave (thank you?).

The thing here is that some people are gathering to have a weekly friendly joust in grey, out of game mechanics not some obscure dim-witted power-projection into grey. This is where the pirates, UIT and the two nations can gather and have a bit of fun. And it is all due to game mechanics (ie FF). If you as a player cannot see past your own "RP" idea that everything in grey goes, you really have misunderstood what this game and community is all about.

And thus, this discussion is like broken pencil.

I personally believe that NW should be banned and we should all wear flowers in our hair.

FF was never necessary for Nation War. In fact if anything, FF removal has HURT nation war, because now there are ridiculous rules about who can be on what team and why to accommodate one groups seeming inability to target the ship they want to target.

Let Maal run it for a while. I expect Surb and friends are digging out obscure alts in anticipation of proving a point, but I hope he'll step aside gracefully and let the event go on.

Did I say I wasn't going to allow letting someone else host it? No.

Did I lay claim that I am the permanent host? No.

I already said now and before that if you really want to host, all you have to do is ask. Sure you can jump up and demand it but what right should I or anyone give it to someone who has been given respect and have it taken away when they show none in return?

The 'rules' you speak of were common sense and only recently did a few lose that common sense and squabble over it as if it was a flaw.

This event isn't a Gray Spacer event in any of the sense. It's an all player event for those that are willing to respect it as such.

You can appease dissenters for only so long until their demands reach beyond your bounds and if nothing is done then sooner or later this event wont exist or meet its once and former glory.

And to assume I would disrupt an event over this petty squabble that only one quarter of the participants pursue? That's news for CNN.

It's obvious that this was a play for power in which there is none to be had. Pity to see such an event fall into the hands of a biased group. Only time will tell of what they'll do next.