So jex, if you've fought me, perhaps you'd like to state how exactly it was that I proved to be so dishonorable. I'm curious, because I'm pretty sure most of what you're saying is, as you so politely put it, bullshit.

As for the analogy you made to chasing down a peasant, I've never done any such thing. The only time I've engaged in what might be considered "noob killing" is when I've been doing BP where the objective is to complete the mission. And I assure you that each of them had a fighting chance. Again with the simple little rule: All I do is treat people how I would like to be treated. I show everyone the same respect I'd like to be shown.

In the two years I have been playing this game there are only three people that I do not show respect to any more after being disrespected by them countless times myself. But instead of going out of my way to show them disrespect in turn like you seem to enjoy doing so often, I just ignore them. However, considering your strange desire to slander me with unfounded lies, calling me a runner and claiming I fight dishonorably while being unable to provide any proof of your claims, you could be a fourth.

The fact that you suggest I would run only further discredits your claims about me.

Even with your analogies you make sweeping generalizations. Somehow I doubt that every single european knight behaved in the manor you suggested. People are individuals, you can't make generalizations like that. I find it amusing that you think you're in a position to judge people so accutely.

My actions in game will speak for themselves. I'm not saying I am without fault, only that I try to play this game in a manner that makes it enjoyable for everyone.

What the hell is your problem with me anyways?

jex just recently found out s/he doesn't matter anymore.
So s/he's PMSing all over the forums.

she

you checked?

x-ray/cross-internet vision

>the only ones that exercised it like they should were the japanese samurai

actualy most of the samuri's adherence to death before dishonor and similar parctaces like sepuku didn't arise untill japan was in a state of piece and the samuri had nothing to do but were still recieving a salary. prior to that time there are a good many battlefield journals that read along the lines of "we engaged the enemy but began taking losses so we retreted". also the practice of "head examinations" was originaly created as a means of determining if the samuri who presented his master with the severed head of an enemy had actualy slain that enemy or if he just showed up late and grabbed the first head he could finde, and tried to pass it off as proofe that he had particapated in the battle.

in truth honor is mostly a squabiling point between gentelmen and royals who care grately about their reputation. in rare cases it becomes more of a "do onto others as you wopuld have them do onto you" sort of guide for soldiers. but mostly it's just something people with nothing beter to do use to make themselves look beter than others.

In a variety of real life cases, Lord Q, I would agree with you about your take on honor. In this game though I think it takes on that "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" aspect because doing so allows us all to have a lot more fun in playing.

or if you want to play a character who actualy holds to a specific code whatever it may be. (my chracter for one has a code, it's not a traditional warior code though)

but that's the difference between game honor and real life honor. i think you get that Ghost, but a lot of people don't.

If a person has honor, that is going to show in the way that their character acts, whether that character is trader,miner, warrior, law enforcement, or pirate. Honor refers to sense of ethical conduct, and integrity. A set of principles or values if you will. Honor is also an expression of admiration and respect, shown to others.

While there are those that role-play a certain type, there is still a core of the person behind it. For myself, and others I know, but I speak for myself here, I hold myself to a certain conduct in all dealings, even though I play a pirate.

If I give my word, I will stick to it. If I engage in a fight, I will not run away, no matter the situation, because I believe my opponent deserves more respect, and the kill if they have bested me.I honor myself and others in this way.

So honor for me is being able to look inside myself and say I had respect for others and in turn myself with what I did, no matter the situation.

See? Now MysticRogue's description I like and can respect. She looks for honor within herself and acts in accordance to that, no matter the enemy; this is the idealized view of honor of japanese and arthurian lore, and that should be easily attainable within this game, yet the rest of you try to justify acting dishonorably by applying "worthy/unworthy" labels.

AND "Eye for an eye" is NOT any kind of view of honor, it's a simple vow of revenge and retribution, Ghost; "treat others like they treat you" is a corollary of that. Play like that if you like but PLEASE don't try to pass off as "honorable".

I deliver Divinian chocolates to Mystic for EXACTLY that reason. I admire her for her HONOR... yeah...

Quote from jex:
She [MysticRogue] looks for honor within herself and acts in accordance to that, no matter the enemy; this is the idealized view of honor of japanese and arthurian lore, and that should be easily attainable within this game, yet the rest of you try to justify acting dishonorably by applying "worthy/unworthy" labels.

That's right, generalize.

I do not 'justify' anything. I'll reiterate: Honour is great if you are able to afford it. If you cannot, it is folly.

Old Rhyme, in a light west country brogue....

She offered her honour ; He honoured her offer ,
And all through the night 'twas honour and offer.......

Cheers

Ecka

It is of course, much easier to pass judgements while sitting on the side.

Jex, read my post again. "Treat others like they treat you" is a corollary of revenge, but that's not what I said. Actually, that's completely different from what I said. Allow me to copy and paste since you were unable to read it the first time. My exact words were "I treat others how I would like to be treated". If you read it jex, it's an entirely different statement. Stop twisting my words around.

I find it hilarious that you cited Mystic's post about honor and used it in opposition to mine. You know why? Because we both operate under the exact same code of honor. We were both BLAK, and that is the code of honor that BLAKs abide by. For some reason though, with my name attatched to the post instead of hers you seem content to attack it. Which leads me to ask the question a second time, what is your problem with me? Another part of my post that you must have missed.

Again, I don't apply any kind of labels or "reserve" honor for anyone. I've stated before that I show everyone the same honor I expect from them unless they go to great lengths to be an ass. In that case, I STILL don't dishonor them, I ignore them. There are only three people I've ever had the need to ignore and I'm fairly confident that these three people are also ignored by many others in the community due to their conduct. I'm just repeating my previous posts now, please read them in their entirety before you post replies about things I've already covered.

My philosophy is nowhere near "an eye for an eye". I can only come to the conclusion that either you're not able to read or you're just not listening. Explain to me how "treat others how you would like to be treated" equates to "an eye for an eye". My philosophy discourages revenge, it doesn't encourage it.

This is all just a bunch of hot air from you jex. What do you know about honor anyways? I'm not the one placing myself in the judge's chair. I just try to treat people with respect. You seem to be up on a high enough pedastle to judge everyone. Making generalizations about the community and such. Maybe you could hear my statements better and not twist them completely around if you would come down to where the rest of us are. The only person I judge is myself. I have opinions about people as any person does, and I am not without fault, but I judge only myself.

If you find me being dishonorable in game, I encourage you to call me out on it. But until you can actually provide some basis to your claims instead of just providing groundless slander I'd suggest you keep your nose out of threads with the word "honor" in it.

I'll speak with my actions, you can judge those.

Judging... FAILED!

Ghost, you and Ayn are practically twins.

Another accusation with no fact to back it up. How surprising. I'm sorry you feel that way, but clearly there's nothing I can do to change your opinion as the truth doesn't seem to phase you. You have a wonderful imagination jex.

Ghost, stop feeding the troll.

You know he's wrong, he knows he's wrong, and you're wasting your effort trying to prove it.

Oh noes, Cunjo has seen through my disguise!

Really, though, I find Ghost as contemptible as Ayn.

So, what's next on the agenda, more smack talk?

I wonder what reality jex lives in. It must be a nice vacation spot.