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LeberMac, do you mean to say your long-range scouts ('scientists'...) do not undergo any sort of training with the goal to preserve their lives? That would be moronic, not Spellcast relaying the facts as they were.
Honestly, what do you expect? If two cultures clash, misunderstandings are practically hard-coded. But we still would prefer mostly peaceful coexistence to mutual eradication.
As for the terrorist threat the Akanese pose:
It would be motivating and interesting to see a joint-venture.
Honestly, what do you expect? If two cultures clash, misunderstandings are practically hard-coded. But we still would prefer mostly peaceful coexistence to mutual eradication.
As for the terrorist threat the Akanese pose:
It would be motivating and interesting to see a joint-venture.
Looking back on it, did you expect a bunch of frightened and intimidated scientists to challenge Serco Warriors in Trial Combat? That's a moronic viewpoint, even for a Serco. -Lebermac
no, I was pointing out that the only way they would have ever even had a chance to have been harmed was if THEY had chosen to bypass the very civilized and just court system, as was thier right by law, even if they were unaware of it at the time , and defend thier innocence in a ritual duel.
Given the circumstances I actually seriously doubt that there would have been even a significantly long period of captivity, no more than a few years before we deported them.
Instead the terrorists living in your midst decided our laws, customs, and right to exist without having to listen to akanese bigotry were not even worth considering, and massacred 25,000 civilians in the city around the control center they attacked with neuclear weapons. Not to mention the gaurds and small military population that was killed in the orbiting space station.
Oddly enough the only one here from the itani/akanese side who has any merit in his or her views is Shadowed Divinity, who correctly states that a single life being treated unjustly is sufficient reason to act. The problem with his view in this case is that the spies were not being mistreated, tortured, or subjected to anything other than the due process of the law.
no, I was pointing out that the only way they would have ever even had a chance to have been harmed was if THEY had chosen to bypass the very civilized and just court system, as was thier right by law, even if they were unaware of it at the time , and defend thier innocence in a ritual duel.
Given the circumstances I actually seriously doubt that there would have been even a significantly long period of captivity, no more than a few years before we deported them.
Instead the terrorists living in your midst decided our laws, customs, and right to exist without having to listen to akanese bigotry were not even worth considering, and massacred 25,000 civilians in the city around the control center they attacked with neuclear weapons. Not to mention the gaurds and small military population that was killed in the orbiting space station.
Oddly enough the only one here from the itani/akanese side who has any merit in his or her views is Shadowed Divinity, who correctly states that a single life being treated unjustly is sufficient reason to act. The problem with his view in this case is that the spies were not being mistreated, tortured, or subjected to anything other than the due process of the law.
Um, not "spies", not "long-range scouts", they were scientists who had no IDEA the Serco were still around. You imprisioned them without cause and then decided to bring war upon what was, until then, an idyllic and peaceful society. You barbaric thugs. You shoddy excuses for humanity.
But it matters not, we cannot change the past. We are at war and it is the duty of the Itani military to protect our great nation. It is unfortunate that the Akanese have decided to raise their ugly head again, but that is worse news for the Serco than for the Itani. So be it.
It would be beneficial if the leaders of the Order would at least collaborate with the rest of the Itani in military undertakings. Somehow, though, I don't think that's in the cards.
But it matters not, we cannot change the past. We are at war and it is the duty of the Itani military to protect our great nation. It is unfortunate that the Akanese have decided to raise their ugly head again, but that is worse news for the Serco than for the Itani. So be it.
It would be beneficial if the leaders of the Order would at least collaborate with the rest of the Itani in military undertakings. Somehow, though, I don't think that's in the cards.
Enough of all this smack talk, ladies. Here are your bikinis and the baby oil, and the mudpit is over there.
Now FIGHT!!!
Now FIGHT!!!
Shut up Jex. This smacktalk is all the content we get these days.
"You Itani forget that we have -protected you in- started countless battles from which you then required protection. Were it not for our fleets, Eo would -be in the hands of- never have been discovered or attacked by the Serco. The IDC would have -been wiped out at- never existed, and the battle of Deneb would never have occured if we -didn't show- hadn't shown up. We -too- have risked our lives in -aiding- bringing war to the Itani."
There, that's MUCH better...
and yet incorrect, you Serco start the war (not the one of 2661), we intend to see to it that all of you are destroyed
There, that's MUCH better...
and yet incorrect, you Serco start the war (not the one of 2661), we intend to see to it that all of you are destroyed
NINNY.
That is all.
That is all.
Most importantly, the plural of Serco is Serco. There are no excuses whatsoever for spelling it incorrectly.
Then there's the casus belli... your 'scientists', as you like to call them, were very stubborn, and couldn't provide any conclusive evidence that they were on a mission with non-militaristic goals. As for the fact that you didn't know we were there... where else would we have gone? We had no reason to leave Serco Prime. You need to re-think that one.
However, as you said, LeberMac, that is ancient history and cannot be changed. Due to your obviously uncooperative stance, we shall stay the course until either you reveal the location of the Akanese bases to us and give us the possibility to launch direct attacks upon them or we determine the locations ourselves and open a way by force. You can have it the easy or the hard way, it is entirely up to you. As for the loss of civilian life... we would prefer to avoid that on both sides, but if that is not possible, then so be it.
Then there's the casus belli... your 'scientists', as you like to call them, were very stubborn, and couldn't provide any conclusive evidence that they were on a mission with non-militaristic goals. As for the fact that you didn't know we were there... where else would we have gone? We had no reason to leave Serco Prime. You need to re-think that one.
However, as you said, LeberMac, that is ancient history and cannot be changed. Due to your obviously uncooperative stance, we shall stay the course until either you reveal the location of the Akanese bases to us and give us the possibility to launch direct attacks upon them or we determine the locations ourselves and open a way by force. You can have it the easy or the hard way, it is entirely up to you. As for the loss of civilian life... we would prefer to avoid that on both sides, but if that is not possible, then so be it.
/me sneezes "Akanese"
Oh, sorry. Must be a nasty flu
Oh, sorry. Must be a nasty flu
Neutral in demanor towards the Union or otherwise, the Akaneese have become a thorn in our side. They have outlived their economical usefulness, supported corvus pirate factions, and several times threatened to destablize our very precarious trade agreements with the Serco Dominion. The re-emergance of these militants complicates matters greatly.
Let them know full well that they are not welcome withing the Union.
Let them know full well that they are not welcome withing the Union.
Too late, we have infiltrated your nation, under the disguse of Itani citizens.
All your actions will acheive in the end is harm to yourself, and shame for your people. Do not provoke the Union's wrath--seldom used though it may be.
We do not care about the opinions of the Union
vIsitor, I distinctly remember you boasting loudly that you were supporting pirate factions if it fit your economical needs. Do you hold a monopoly over hypocrisy?
apparently so
Indeed we do. We UIT have the damn thing PATENTED!!
Which reminds y'all are late with your royalty payments, fork over the cash.
Which reminds y'all are late with your royalty payments, fork over the cash.
You imprisioned them without cause and then decided to bring war upon what was, until then, an idyllic and peaceful society. You barbaric thugs. You shoddy excuses for humanity. -Lebermac
Imprisoned them without cause...
They were in violation of 5 major laws* and over 3 dozen minor infractions...
additionally these so called scientists had NO imagery in thier databanks of anything other than our military instilations.
And if your society was so idyllic and peaceful why were you unaware of the terrorists living in your midst, and how did they get access to neuclear weapons you had stored somewhere?
If you really expect us to believe that the akanese dusted off old technology manuals, refined the raw materiels, manufactured atomic weapons, AND developed a delivery system for them in under 3 weeks then you need to have the tiny, alcohol pickled excuse of a pea you use for a brain examined.
* They were in violation of restricted space(1), piloting an unregistered spacecraft (2) without a valid permit (3), and in possesion of high detail imaging systems (4) that had been used to collect data about the restricted military bases on our planet.(5)
Imprisoned them without cause...
They were in violation of 5 major laws* and over 3 dozen minor infractions...
additionally these so called scientists had NO imagery in thier databanks of anything other than our military instilations.
And if your society was so idyllic and peaceful why were you unaware of the terrorists living in your midst, and how did they get access to neuclear weapons you had stored somewhere?
If you really expect us to believe that the akanese dusted off old technology manuals, refined the raw materiels, manufactured atomic weapons, AND developed a delivery system for them in under 3 weeks then you need to have the tiny, alcohol pickled excuse of a pea you use for a brain examined.
* They were in violation of restricted space(1), piloting an unregistered spacecraft (2) without a valid permit (3), and in possesion of high detail imaging systems (4) that had been used to collect data about the restricted military bases on our planet.(5)
[quote] Wed 04:08PM LeberMac
Um, not "spies", not "long-range scouts", they were scientists who had no IDEA the Serco were still around. You imprisioned them without cause and then decided to bring war upon what was, until then, an idyllic and peaceful society. You barbaric thugs. You shoddy excuses for humanity.
But it matters not, we cannot change the past. We are at war and it is the duty of the Itani military to protect our great nation. It is unfortunate that the Akanese have decided to raise their ugly head again, but that is worse news for the Serco than for the Itani. So be it.
It would be beneficial if the leaders of the Order would at least collaborate with the rest of the Itani in military undertakings. Somehow, though, I don't think that's in the cards.
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LeberMac, I do not find myself unwilling to cooperate with the regular itani navy, I have tried to arrange alliances with the other Itani guilds, in the interest of the defense of our nation. I have, however, been met with limited success. It seems that our predicessor, [AKAN], which I had no idea even existed until it was brought up here, has painted a rather bad reputation for the akanese. This makes our job difficult indeed. And though I have to agree that a few of my members temper's need to be tempered, we still stand a fight for the greater good.
Of corse, the greater good has always been a matter of perspective, so everyone running around like chickens with their heads chopped off is rather pointless.
As for you visitor, the akanese have long been welcome in Union space, as you well know. And no matter how much YOU try to dislodge us, you are one man, and the union is many. When it comes right down to it, we're good for buisness, and god knows you UIT will jump on anything that's good for buisness. I mean, look at you, shamelessly selling weapons to both nations. What is a third faction to you? To the rest of the Union, a third faction seems to be a little more cash flow, another place to encourage havoc with big guns, which are just wonderful for buisness, and bring cash flowing into the UIT economy while the Itani and the Serco kill eachother endlessly.
Don't you DARE talk to us about being corrupt!
Um, not "spies", not "long-range scouts", they were scientists who had no IDEA the Serco were still around. You imprisioned them without cause and then decided to bring war upon what was, until then, an idyllic and peaceful society. You barbaric thugs. You shoddy excuses for humanity.
But it matters not, we cannot change the past. We are at war and it is the duty of the Itani military to protect our great nation. It is unfortunate that the Akanese have decided to raise their ugly head again, but that is worse news for the Serco than for the Itani. So be it.
It would be beneficial if the leaders of the Order would at least collaborate with the rest of the Itani in military undertakings. Somehow, though, I don't think that's in the cards.
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LeberMac, I do not find myself unwilling to cooperate with the regular itani navy, I have tried to arrange alliances with the other Itani guilds, in the interest of the defense of our nation. I have, however, been met with limited success. It seems that our predicessor, [AKAN], which I had no idea even existed until it was brought up here, has painted a rather bad reputation for the akanese. This makes our job difficult indeed. And though I have to agree that a few of my members temper's need to be tempered, we still stand a fight for the greater good.
Of corse, the greater good has always been a matter of perspective, so everyone running around like chickens with their heads chopped off is rather pointless.
As for you visitor, the akanese have long been welcome in Union space, as you well know. And no matter how much YOU try to dislodge us, you are one man, and the union is many. When it comes right down to it, we're good for buisness, and god knows you UIT will jump on anything that's good for buisness. I mean, look at you, shamelessly selling weapons to both nations. What is a third faction to you? To the rest of the Union, a third faction seems to be a little more cash flow, another place to encourage havoc with big guns, which are just wonderful for buisness, and bring cash flowing into the UIT economy while the Itani and the Serco kill eachother endlessly.
Don't you DARE talk to us about being corrupt!
Agreed, Shadowed Divinity, one shouldn't state the obvious (namely your being corrupt) too often, since the impact of the statement will suffer (unless you are Cato the elder). On a sidenote: Not only are you corrupt in the monetary sense of the word, also your morals are corrupted.
I have tried to arrange alliances with the other Itani guilds, in the interest of the defense of our nation. I have, however, been met with limited success.
When did you do this? You and I have never talked at all, and apparently lots of [Itan] has been AWOL on *ahem* undisclosed missions, so I can understand if you can't get ahold of Yasumoto or Mogul Velaio. Who in [SKV] did you discuss an alliance with?
I have to agree that a few of my members temper's need to be tempered, we still stand a fight for the greater good.
So let's make a extremist militant Itani organization? Where's the "greater good" in that? What can you possibly hope to accomplish by resurrecting a dead terrorist cell who essentially initiated the conflict that we STILL fight today? Thanks to Akan and his misguided followers, we have to go into battle daily to keep the Serco barbarians out of Deneb.
Did you ever think that perhaps joining the regular Itani military would go farther towards defeating the Serco than creating a shadowy pseudo-military organization that works at cross-purposes? Perhaps not. I do not wish you well in your divisive endeavours.
Oh, and good luck with tempering the temper of that Ory'Hara fella. I hear he's a handful.
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Ok first off, You're who exactly ingame? I mean, you're the akanese commander and I've never heard of "Shadowed Divinity" before. The fact that you are unaware of the other times that there's been an [AKAN] guild for a while until it disbands disturbs me. You're aware that the one known as Borb destroyed your leadership council only a scant few months ago? How are you spinning THAT one?
Have you read the backstory, and are you comfortable taking on the role of bloodthirsty terrorists?
You realize that the Akanese are supposedly the best pilots out there, bringing death and destruction to their enemies and slaying them in heaps. I hope the pilots you have can pull this off. If we have another guild of Akan folks who spend their time mining and trading again, that'll just be silly.
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When did you do this? You and I have never talked at all, and apparently lots of [Itan] has been AWOL on *ahem* undisclosed missions, so I can understand if you can't get ahold of Yasumoto or Mogul Velaio. Who in [SKV] did you discuss an alliance with?
I have to agree that a few of my members temper's need to be tempered, we still stand a fight for the greater good.
So let's make a extremist militant Itani organization? Where's the "greater good" in that? What can you possibly hope to accomplish by resurrecting a dead terrorist cell who essentially initiated the conflict that we STILL fight today? Thanks to Akan and his misguided followers, we have to go into battle daily to keep the Serco barbarians out of Deneb.
Did you ever think that perhaps joining the regular Itani military would go farther towards defeating the Serco than creating a shadowy pseudo-military organization that works at cross-purposes? Perhaps not. I do not wish you well in your divisive endeavours.
Oh, and good luck with tempering the temper of that Ory'Hara fella. I hear he's a handful.
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Ok first off, You're who exactly ingame? I mean, you're the akanese commander and I've never heard of "Shadowed Divinity" before. The fact that you are unaware of the other times that there's been an [AKAN] guild for a while until it disbands disturbs me. You're aware that the one known as Borb destroyed your leadership council only a scant few months ago? How are you spinning THAT one?
Have you read the backstory, and are you comfortable taking on the role of bloodthirsty terrorists?
You realize that the Akanese are supposedly the best pilots out there, bringing death and destruction to their enemies and slaying them in heaps. I hope the pilots you have can pull this off. If we have another guild of Akan folks who spend their time mining and trading again, that'll just be silly.
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