I want to make clear that the protest that I posted at the head of this thread was the result of a vote of the TGFT council. It was not aimed at the conduct of Lebermac or any other individual ITAN member, but at the ITAN policy of blockade. I was in contact with Lebermac during the the latter part of the first blockade incident, and very much appreciated his efforts to defuse that situation. My understanding, however, was that the blockade rules of engagement had been altered so that TGFT pilots were not going to be stopped.

That is why, a almost a week later, when I observed a lone SKV pilot in Latos, I took no immediate evasive action. Only after my hull was reduced to 10% did I drop mines in an attempt to escape. When I contacted the pilot after the incident, I was told that he hoped he was now KOS with TGFT because he was bored. When I contacted a fellow lieutenant in SKV to report the incident and request compensation, I was met with what politely could best be described as a brush off. I think this phrase from the SKV Commander's official response tells it all: "Attempts to flee ... was considered as an act of aggression." From the official response, it is clear that SKV places no value whatsoever on a positive relationship with TGFT.

I had hoped that a resolution of this matter would be reached with ITAN until I saw its Commander's attempt to publicly ridicule a memer of our council. It appears ITAN is not genuinely interest in compromising its position, which I understand to be: Do as we say or we kill you.

And Shape, I agree that grey space is dangerous. This is not about grey space being dangerous. It is about knowing who your friends are.

Broma-Ba Slick

This is utter madness, no one has authority in grey space unless an outpost is sprung up somewhere IN grey space. For once, it seems to be reversed ; The Itanis are now greedy savages and the Serco seem to be...honorable. O.o

Spaceranger

*shudders and make some more coffee*

@Broma-Ba Slick: SKVs prime duty is to protect and serve Itani nation.
TGTF operations are of no interest to SKV unless they interfere with our military operations.
SKV and TGFT relations have always been good.
All our military actions were announced thru proper channels and the only thing that was ever requested from any TGTF member who encountered our forces on patrol in grey space was a quick cargo inspection. No trader /serco, Itani or UIT national/ was ever molested or fired upon without a proper reason.
Positive relations are based on a goodwill of both sides. In many situations SKV pilots have helped and escorted traders thru dangerous sectors in grey space but when SKV is performing some military task and needs that same traders to undergo a brief cargo inspection, all we get in return are accusations and protests.
So, in your opinion, positive relationship can only be formed if it works in favor of TGFT?

Bojan
SKV Commander

Triple J said: Get this through your alcohol-laced, Spike-ravished, age-damaged brain, Leebs: YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO STOP ANYONE ANYWHERE FOR ANY REASON. IF YOU TRY TO USE FORCE TO ENFORCE YOUR DESIGNS UPON US, FORCE WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU.
My rebuttal: Bring it. Mandatory cargo inspections of jexkerome's ship contents will commence immediately. Maintaining hull integrity of the ship is not a requirement. >:P I will personally oversee his cargo and ensure that nothing untoward is carried in his hold. (This is just me, not [Itan]. It's long past time that I kill you repeatedly.)

And - We're not greedy savages, "Buzz Lightyear, Spaceranger." We were just trying to prevent a more vicious war from starting. Think of the Neural Spike as the first atom bomb. The first nation to possess it would be, well, unstoppable.

And, I'm still your friend, [TGFT]. In fact, I may request your help in the not-so-distant future. Be ready.

yep, this discussion is over.. the itani want a war and are too chickenlivered to just act on it directly, they have to go through all this posturing and rationalization of why they are the victims... We saw this 1500 years ago with akan in the colony wars and we see it again today.

I am now offering my services to any TGFT member who wishes to pass through latos without having to listen to this overblown absurdity that the itani guilds are spouting. Contact me ingame for a free escort (assuming i'm anywhere near you i'll come help out)

Bojan,

I appreciate your willingness to contine a discussion of this issue. I do think it is important to note that there was never any contact from either ITAN or SKV to request TGFT's cooperation in the matter of the Neural Spike. I would suggest that a friend would make such a request rather than issuing orders and firing on ships.

So there is no misunderstanding, I am requesting a clarification of SKV policy. Does SKV assert the right to stop any ship at any time in any system and order that ship to jettison its cargo for inspection, with the right to enforce that order by deadly force? Is the policy limited to grey space or to Latos? Is it in force at all times, or only during announced blockades?

Broma-Ba Slick

No blockade or cargo inspections will be regarded as valid if conducted on a whim by shady congregations and openly piratic splinter cells. They clearly hinder the scientific effort and are therefore detrimental to all humanity, regardless of nationality.

As for the spike, I am not entrusted with its analysis, but rest assured that I am 'in the loop', pardon my klatchian.

To make it perfectly clear: I will not consider any action taken against my person to be lawful, be it an inspection of my cargo holds, pursuit of my ship or general harassment (what is and what is not harassment will be decided my me anew in every situation it might occur).

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mifune toshiro kanchou
Head of Medical Robotics Advancement Research (MedRAR) Department
First University of Terra II, Sol II, Serco Dominions.
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@Broma-Ba Slick: The blockade in question was organised by ITAN forces and SKV military aid was requested by ITAN officials.
It was ITAN responsibility to contact and inform all friendly organisations and guilds about actions planned. SKV cannot be held responsible for lack of proper communication in that matter.
Any further actions planned by SKV command will be announced over regular comm channels and all friendly guilds and organisations will be supplied with all relevant data regarding safe passage thru temporary SKV monitored area.
We do not assert to stop any ship at any time in any system.
Cargo inspection policy is in effect only in system/sector designated as a SKV monitored area when such an action is properly announced thru regular comm channels.

Bojan

the military operation is pointless, the spike has been removed. the 'tani people should rise against the sinful acts of their leaders. they are being ruled by dictators who see only war, and only war for their benefit. they care not for friends, or allies, only complete control of the universe. they are wiping out those who do not agree with them in an effort to extend their control over all peoples. they are not true akanese. true akanese would fight only for peace. this is not a fight for peace, this is a fight for war.

unfortunate for the traders is their place in the middle. they do not want involvement in the war. they are being attacked by those who they thought were their friends. if SKV and ITAN were truly the friends of the traders they would trust them enough to not carry the neutral spike (the whole point of this war). the traders have no way to strike back at their oppressors, the 'tani are ruthlessly destroying everything they have worked for. they are destroying a free society. they are destroying the peace, and eventually they will destroy themselves.

Bojan,

Thank you for your clarification of policy. Again, so that I understand, I have a couple of questions. As I understand it, the ITAN-SKV blockade occurred over a week ago and lasted less than an hour. I was attacked three days ago by an SKV pilot who justified his attack by stating he was on a mission to recover the neural spike. Was this pilot carrying out SKV policy? Does SKV condone this attack?

Broma-Ba Slick

@Broma-Ba Slick: SKV does not condone unprovoked attacks on traders.
I will look thru all available intel regarding mentioned incident..

Atm SKV Command can offer you a reasonable compensation for your ship/cargo and a sincere apology.

Bojan

Hrm. I have no information regarding this latest attack, Broma.
The original blockade lasted less than an hour and was relatively painless except for two traders, only one of whom was destroyed, and, again, he has been reimbursed.

It's interesting to note how the Serco on this message thread seize every opportunity to attempt to drive a wedge between friendly guilds. Theirs is the politics of division and hatred.

At the end of this thread there is only one lesson to be learned... treat players like individuals. Guilds really don't come into play as far as what's allowed and what's not.

Good SKV: Bojan, Ghost, Demonor, Mortigan (Where is he anyway? I haven't seen him around).
Bad SKV: The rest

Good [Itan]: Lebermac, Smittens, Harpo, Jestatis Bess, Master Vandar
Bad [Itan]: The rest

Good [CLM]: All of them

Good [TGFT]: I don't know... they don't take me seriously... but Obsidian of course.

Good [SYN]: All of them

As far as guilds go... [SCAR] may be the most widely maligned guild... but the one which is the most arrogant and annoying would have to be [Itan], due to the fact that they assume that they can do whatever they want because they are "Righteous" Itani. It's kind of sad... really... because they have some shining examples of what makes the guild likeable... yet the majority of the guild is full of hard-line Akanese ninnies.

[Itan]... there's this thing called respect... ya know? I'm not asking you to give it to [SCAR] or Dr. Lecter... but... if you're going to call Serco Racist, arrogant bastards... at least don't be so hypocritical about it.

Theirs is the politics of division and hatred. ~leebs

STOP GENERALIZING YOU BASTID! Jeez... that statement alone is hypocritical. /me gives Leebs his ID back... go get a drink or something!

Bojan,

Many thanks. While it appears that our guilds still have some disagreements to address over the matter of blockades, I consider the incident involving my ship to be resolved. I will contact you in game concerning SKV Command's offer.

Lebermac,

I am satisifed that ITAN was not involved in the incident involving my ship.

Broma-Ba Slick

Re: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/7/12725?page=3#158269

:-/

Guess I haven't been playing 'nuff to even make it onto the list. Or maybe I'm a 'bad' [Itan].

>:-]

Let the "huuuuh? who's he?" shtuff begin. :P (school is teh stink)

Haha. Yeah, yer a bad [Itan] anyway, Holdan. Tee hee.

Funny how Smitt made it onto Doc Ock's "good" list and the fairly innocuous types (macguyitani, Yasumoto, etc.) did not. I'll never figure you Serco out.

Oh, and I already got a replacement ID, Zoras, but thanks for the ID back. Now - WHERE IS SETA'S BADGE?!?

I formally protest not being on the "bad" list for [Itan] members. I mean, what Serco could like ME?

Heh... Holdan, You know you're not [Itan]

You're a Serco at heart. And I like a man who can admit he's wrong and come over to the right side. (Gadgets!)

Seta's badge? I blame the monkey... don't look at me.

vIsitor, there was never any blockade. There was a military operation that ran for about one hour, on the 14th.

There is NO sanctioned blockade nor is there any active operation of the sort under way.

Commander Mogul Velaio
Coalition Of Itan

vIsitor, there was never any blockade. There was a military operation that ran for about one hour, on the 14th.

There is NO sanctioned blockade nor is there any active operation of the sort under way.

Commander Mogul Velaio
Coalition Of Itan

Does this sound familiar to something I've read before?... oh... wait...

We were never at war with East Asia, we have always been at war with Eurasia. East Asia are our allies

Mogul!!! Being official does not mean you have to be Big Brother!!! If you have a mustache... I hope it's a good one!