I would like to assert that a ragnarok with triflare+jacks+screamers can defeat an IBG, or a Skycommand, or a valk for that matter...

SUBMIT TO THE MGC!

that works? i'd thought of it, but hadn't had the nerve to try it :P

It works, but it is possible to kill. I fought Shape in it 3 times, me in an IDF Valk w/ dual N3s. I won once, Shape the other two. I'd have evened it up, if Shape hadn't logged. ;-P

The first comment I will make is that the skycommand with AGT still takes more skill to use than the Valk did when IT was the uber ship. The prom at least has trouble running away if, (and I admit, in the right hands it IS a big if) the fight goes against it.

The old valk used to get to about 5% and just flee, nothing had even the remotest chance of catching it. If the prom gets to 5% the odds of it managing to just turbo away and live is much lower.

The prom, even loaded with just the AGT is HARDLY an uber ship, 1v1 no matter what loadout i actually take ? in his IDF valk makes me work for every hit i land on him, and i usually find myself on the far end of the damage curve even when i win, which is by no means a gaurentee.

Now I will admit that ? is one of the better valk pilots, but i'd like to think that I am one of the better prom pilots.

I wont comment extensively on the IBG as that is another thread, but it is an EXTREMELY potent weapon against a prom, almost as easy to use even when its got a dual gauss loadout, and availible with a significantly lower amount of level grinding.

Oh, and i also resent the serco bash in the first line of the ode, tho the rest of it was pretty funny. :D

I wonder how a double gauss fares...

And people? Stop trying to balance things based on 2 ships. It's not all rev c vs. prom. A TD hog with an AGT can easily handle an AGT prom. Not many people know this because if you fly a hog you'll generaly get eaten by a rev c before you find a prom to kill. I think that's fine.

"The prom at least has trouble running away"

I disagree with that. The prom has no trouble running away, its thrust lets it accelerate plenty fast, and its turbo speed of 200-220 is plenty to get away. I think it should have a somewhat harder time of running away, but as it is now I can't catch proms running with CtC cargo, even if they've turned and fought me for a while, and started running again. The one change that I'd still like to see w/ proms, is dropping their turbo thrust a litte. Everything else I think I'm OK with at this point.

Believe me, the prom has trouble to run away.

The real nOObs are those who cant kill a nOOb in a prom or no matter what ship they fly. Stop complaining about ships and their stats. If you are a pro pilot you kill any noob. Stop crying about nerfing this and nerfing that, its boooooooooooooring.
And btw.. you cant run away in a prom, or at least you dont get very far.

M. Duncan

You can run in a Prom, but you have to get your timing damn close to perfect. If your Centurion opponents have any battery left you're screwed. If they follow you through a jump you're still screwed.

The real problem is getting a prom to the point where it wants to run away. Since this is a fairly rare occurance, I don't see why it's an issue :P

well I would like to point out that ?'s strategy is one of distance control, and a lot of rolling, I can't do it, I get dizzy.

me stopped using a prom for ctc.

And I know what Lin is talking about, Lin is trying to run while loaded with CTC cargo, usually.

The prom, isnt the be all and end all of ships, I used to love it for a trade ship with some defence (been about 1.3 years since i thought so, hehehe)

Since then I used a Hog, errrrm, dunno what happened, but now the Hog seems wrong.

Proms dont kill people if you wait around and stay away.

Proms dont kill people if you run away too.

Me has been blown up in a prom.

You can get one too!

Sorry, I dont fly A prom now, and its not because everyone else does like I have said ingame, the prom isnt unbalanced, vet pilots are.

NERF TEH PILOTS!

Finally a sensible suggestion. The devs can take the top 10 players and set a timer on their clients to randomly /explode. Stupid uber pilots messing up the balance.

well I would like to point out that ?'s strategy is one of distance control, and a lot of rolling, I can't do it, I get dizzy.

thats odd, he hardly ever rolls when he fights me.. Of course i have a tendency to sneak a railgun round or a rocket into his ship if he does anything as predictable as rolling continuously, tho i find that much harder lately.

The distance control strategy however is my point... There is an "ideal" range where the AGT is worthless, rockets are dodgable and neutrons (even mk2 neuts) can still pummel the living starlight out of a prom.

Okay, I'm tired of the complaining about how this ship or that ship is just too uber and needs to be nerfed by pilots who refuse to adapt and expect every ship to implode upon the first gentle touch of their loadout of choice against the hull of their hated adversary's oh so uber ship. The only way to truly show your u83r fIgHtInG 5kI11z is to use a stock bus exclusively. Anything else is for wusses. :-p

And I'm tired of people insulting my ability to adapt, when THEY have not figured out these things for themselves.

Its not a process of adaptation, I KNOW what I can do to defeat a prom. But

A) its not a fun way to play,
B) its not effective in any situation where you need that prom dead
C) it does not require aiming, just spamming and hoping for a hit

Nerf the Pilots!
It's almost as funny as the poem..
bleh. hold still, dear Shape *starts fixing explosives on Shape

Nerf everything!!! (0.o)

*Hands Harvestmouse a roll of duct tape*