as far as I can tell, the problem is what people expect from a _mining_ ship. some people expect the mining warthog. something fast and agile to use in bad areas with bots around you. other expect a large hold for cargo. oddly enough, I find those two points to be rather contrary.

_either_ the ships is light, nimble and a runner, or it's a heavy mining machine (or something inbetween). the Tunguska Miner was both, it had a large hold, low weight (for its hold), was fast and nible, and we saw what happened. mining wasn't what people used it for. true, ships don't have roles, but if someone designs something, and calls it a mining ship, they should have done their homework and created a mining ship. not something that becomes a favorite fighter.

right now, the Mining Maud is an okay mining ship, nothing more. at least not worth 920 faction points. I'd like to see it either loose cargo space (and become more agile et al), or get another L-port and let it be a very heavy miner, and a good deal better than the Centaur.

Have patience and faith. The devs are doing the best they can for four people trying to make a great game. So things may not be balanced the way we want yet, no need to get frusturated. Just post your suggestions as always. This game is progressing slowly but steadily into something really awesome. Hell, most of us posting here are already addicted to some extent. I understand many of you have been waiting a long time, but these things take time. Just have a little faith in the direction the devs are trying to take this. And for those of you who have had patience for a long time, try to keep in mind where this game was back at the beginning and look at it now. See how far it's come and where it can go with a little more time.

From News:

"...This is not a major ship/weapon balancing update, but it does feature a few changes ... A more comprehensive balance update will be forthcoming later this week."

A more comprehensive balance update will be forthcoming later this week! It would be more helpful if people would await that update and THEN make *suggestions*.

Imagine you have a huge scale in your backyard, and a giant pile of rocks in a variety of sizes. Your task is to have all the stone on the scale and in perfect balance. You start out with huge chunks on both sides, right? and then you move to medium-sized chunks, and finally the smaller stones to fine tune. The devs are still moving some medium-sized chunks around.

Balance is going to take some time. We've all been wanting balance for quite awhile, so now that they are on the task let's let them work on it. Imagine trying to balance all those rocks in your backyard again. How much harder would that be with somebody standing there shouting at you?

EDIT: Thanks Ghost, you posted while I was typing and probably said it better.

Go devs!!! finish this balance ship :o)
i personnally agree with the balance.
it's look better (unless some mistake). hope it will be more better. :o)

- waititng capital ship too.

once they finished. i really hope they will focus on the standing system/color on radar.

Disapointed.

I fear that later this week will never come.. in my game lifetime at least...

Temp.

Sorry to hear that Temp. The Devs track record has been quite good. At most they've put an update off for a few days due to a bug found in testing. I've been here for 2.5 years and have never known them to fail to deliver.

about the tungs maud.

just think that if a ship is able to do all tasks (trade/mining/fight...) and recorded as on top list.

it's a proof that it's a uber ship.

i usually changing my ship in each situation.
my favorites:
centaur when i have a lot of cargos
ragnarok when i need a bomber ship
warhog wheni need a half fight/bomber ship
centurion wheni need a fast ship
vulture/orion cent wheni need a light fight ship.

flying around in the same ship for every task is a proof that ship is uber. unbalanced.

[Nyal13] Any ship that is a good miner is a good trader, so not much for you to count on that. Compare it to the Centaur, 2 extra cargo spaces don't make up for the extra large port for mining. The ONLY really good use for Mining Maud was combat.

I've never seen anyone mining for an extended period of time with a Mining Maud or a Mining Warthog. Not that they don't exist, but I see Centaurs mining in gray space all the time...

I think devs should use statistics to balance the ships. If a ship is really uber, everyone migrates to it. Also, the percentage of kills from those uber ships get very high. Both were NOT the case. Few people had the patience to get it, and some still preferred other ships.

I just lost 2 weeks getting that rating to 920, and suddendly it's just a ship with no use. Go figure why I'm pissed.

i understood.
it's frustating when you have spent time to increase standing.

but watch at all the mining ship.
example : warhog

maybe devs will rebalance the tungs maud.
i think the 50cu its too much.

give it back 200 max speed
but decrease his cu to 30.

Thus making it a downgraded Atlas?
-:sigma.SB

in response to ghost's post. i think he is right on for most of it. i only disagree with one thing. "so what if the game is not balanced the way we want yet" who are we to say how it should be balanced?

the devs are nice enough to listen to the community, but are in no way required to do everything we say. a lot of players would do good to remember that. i am not saying you are one of them ghost, your words just made me think others should be reminded of that fact.

anyway, that is my thought.

Geee thanks, I had planned to come back to VO just for the Mining Maud (or Chaos Swarm Maud as I refered to it)...

Well, back to Second Life then.

Historically, many players have been demanding "balance." The Devs are trying to
comply. Pleasing players/customers is important, and they are trying. There is only
one small problem: There is NO WAY to achieve "balance" unless there is only: one
ship, one engine, one battery and one gun, and some way to penalize players that
get "too good" at the game. Balance is not nirvana my friends.

BALANCE = BOREDOM

I think some people are finally starting to understand this.

*ahem*

Starcraft.

i was having a talk with viciousnanite about the tunguska maruader.. we didn't find the ship to have too many problems, but then i brought up chaos swarm missiles on the thing.

i'll quote myself: it's nice to see the tunguska marauder being used responcibily, but in due time we'll start to see spamming swarm mauds, that's when they'll need to balence it.

and thankgod they balenced it in time.

"Geee thanks, I had planned to come back to VO just for the Mining Maud (or Chaos Swarm Maud as I refered to it)..."

at this time i do beleive the tunguska marauder is "okay" balenced within the game limits as we know it now.. i would however boost it's cargo to an insaine 70cu, because it requires insaine work to get.

now if we had a mining port i'd say give the tunguska maud 3 large mining ports, and 1 small port for the scanner. now that would be one hell of a mining ship.

I've decided to come out of lurking to answer this.
What are you guys babbleing about?

The devs have a Master Plan.
Have you seen it?
No?
Then shut your yap.

The devs have NEVER EVER disapointed me.
Maybe I've had to adjust a bit from time to time, but it has ALLWAYS turned out for the better!

I see the changes happening and I see that there is a void opening up. An uncovered area. The devs will put something there. I've seen it before.

All those with access to the Master Plan probably know they should not tell anyone anything from it.
All those without access to it should stand back and observe the devs with amazement.
It'll turn out great, just show you're a smart person by doing what smart people do best: Adapt.

Yea, everytime the devs have done something that might have messed something up, there was always something new in the update that was cool. Like this time, there is the queen hunting thing. Come on guys, the devs will have things fixed soon, so just sit back and relax.

1) "What are you guys babbleing about?"
rubbish. this forum is here to address failures and suggestions and not to praise the devs every day.

2) test is over. paying customers say what they want to see in the game. that is good.

3) "The devs have a Master Plan.
Have you seen it?
No?
Then shut your yap."

nope. They better make clear what they want to do in the future to fix what people do not like at the moment. And they usually do.

4) "The devs have NEVER EVER disapointed me."
So thats you. No need to forbid other people to say what THEY think.

I know one thing that HAS been disappointing.

Its 8-9 months since the prometheus was well and truly NERFED.

This game needs to stop being ruled by the whiners.

I'm with UncleDave on this one.

I've also noticed that the people who whine the loudest get their wants fulfulled. So I started complaining more. I got my wish for the Centurions to have 1 cu of space... for about an hour. Then the server reset and the Centurions suddenly had their original spaces back.