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Outlook of factions on new comers

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Dec 01, 2004 macguy link
I'd like to set some things straight. In a post in role playing I called the secro evil. But the secro said it was not good for the game or the community to in or out of game to continusly call the secro evil. I think this was due to me also being kinda pissed cause I was doing crappy in game. So, I'd like to let the newbies know that the secro are not a horrible evil people and thus you shouldn't play the game as the secro. I really think all newbies should PLEASEEE I STRESS THIS PLEASEEEE read the backstory. It will help you decide which faction you want to play as. Please don't just go by what people have said here on the message board.

Thanks, just wanted to set some things staright, perhaps one of the devs could post a response to maybe further explain what I mean.
Dec 01, 2004 harvestmouse link
I wonder what type of people would want to be peaceful, human, powerful, technologically advanced, yet always 'underdog' (aye, humans are always the underdog ;)) race
and who would want to be the inhuman, violent, drug/program abusing, careless, unfair-advantage-from-implants (I guess it would be unfair if I really played the game with bioelectronic implants) pirating, scurvy...
/me utters :D *emphatic YARR!!

edit* sorry for the alarm macguy. the backstory is cool, I'm just wondering what new sercos the backstory attracts will be like... (and the new itanis, new UITs of course) then again, RP doesn't have any bearing on real life =P
Dec 01, 2004 macguy link
aye aye calm down there, thats excatly what is not good(even though you didnt mention factions. Can one of the dev please elaborate on what I was trying to get at, I think you guys understand! :)
Dec 01, 2004 CrippledPidgeon link
The Itani backstory has resulted in a lot of online flaming against the Serco to which we have no effective reply.

Example conversation:
Itani: "The Serco are evil dogs! They must be exterminated!"
Serco: "No we shouldn't!"
Itani: "You started the war and killed millions of Itani! Besides, the Serco are cyborgs and don't think for themselves cuz they're too dumb to!"
Serco: "That's not true and you know it!"
UIT: "I'm with the Itani on this one"
Serco: "Hey UIT player, you should shut up! The UIT isn't even a real nation!"
UIT: "Yes we are!"
Serco: "You're all Serco, just you don't know it yet!"

For a while, I was trying to fill channel 100 with pro-Serco rhetoric, but it was pretty weak without a written history to back me up. Some of the rhetoric stuck, but they're still rhetoric without any "truth" to them. I'm working on a Serco backstory to explain the rhetoric, and yes, some of the atrocities at Serco hands, but I'm also going to write about Itani atrocities that somehow got "whitewashed."

If you think that the Itani are as pure as the driven snow, and would never lie, then that's your business, but even the best government lies to shine a different light on a situation. Take for instance the scandal about the Japanese textbooks glossing over World War II war atrocities. I'm not defending the Japanese, but I'm making the point that it happens ALL the time. Sure, the Itani backstory is probably for the most part accurate, but I'm sure that there's lots that they left out. What about the destruction of Sky Command? It just says the Order of Akan blows it and a space station up. It mentions that Sky Command had 10,000 people employed at the time, but what about the civilian population? Maybe the Order of Akan killed 10million civilians with the radioactive fallout and the Itani "neglected" to mention that? Maybe the Itani also depict themselves as the underdogs, but are they telling the whole story? For years, American textbooks say that the Japanese attacked them at Pearl Harbor without provocation, but what about the years of embargo and unfair treatment of Japanese by the Western powers? Sure, the Japanese also wanted to disable the American fleet early in the war, but don't think that they weren't provoked by the Americans (or encouraged by the Nazis).

Descriptions of Serco culture in the Itani history are somewhat thin, this convinces players that the Serco HAVE no culture to speak of. I intend for my treatment of Serco history to reveal that the Serco have a quite rich history and culture. I won't try to whitewash the atrocities that the Serco commit - well, maybe I should say that I won't whitewash atrocities out of character with the voice that I'll writing in.

I think you can tell that I'm somewhat upset about the unfair treatment of the Serco. That's why I'm writing the backstory. Unfortunately, I can't write all THAT quickly, and I do have a life outside of Vendetta (*gasp*) not to mention that every minute that I spend writing the story is one less minute that I can spend playing Vendetta, so I'm trying to balance all those things. Don't worry, Serco players! I'm working on it!
Dec 01, 2004 harvestmouse link
hehe macguy, I was just playing around. (I'm serco by the way)
Dec 02, 2004 macguy link
Don't be mad at me crippledpidgeon on this subject,(i know you're not i'm jus staying) I started this thread to educate new comers about how they shouldnt go by what other people say on this message board or in game. The backstory IS told by an itani. And also, the whole conflict it mostly itani, they refused diplomatic negotions back on Terra II. Yes the back story IS white washed and leaning wayyy towards the itani. So go you, write that back story, i'm even willing(and wanting) to read it! Good luck with that!
Dec 02, 2004 yodaofborg link
Some serco are the best traders you will ever know, some itani are far from peacefull, some UIT are warlike and hate trading, thats the thing I love about vendetta, you really can be what you want to be, no matter what your initial choice is.

Forget back story, even though its great! (and against Serco, iirc Lady Serco could fit right in there though, as the Monarch that *kooled* Serco's attitude and showed them not all were enemies, and a lot could be learned by trade - while some warlike Serco remained because of the remembered attrocities commited by the Itani, most were calmed, and lived peacefull lives, and being proud to live on the first terraformed planet, they live a rich life)

I know, i didnt start the lady serco thing (me glares at ct*tab*)

But a bump for Cp, i hope, heh
Dec 02, 2004 NoAddedSugar link
thank you, macguy
Dec 02, 2004 Temporalis link
I was initially itani in beta, but took the opportunity on the pre-release wipe to switch to Serco, "why in god's name would you want to do that!" i hear, well it's simple, i like red :)

Temp.

ps. Backstory seems to be so one sided *cough* who wrote it, an Itani?
Dec 02, 2004 harvestmouse link
Temporalis: yea, it's written by Itani monks *grin*
*writes a story: "and the sercos were peaceful space-whale herders who sustained a nomadic life on the battlecruiser Gentu..." meep.
Dec 03, 2004 The Roach link
Can't we call each other names in the roleplaying forum and act civil on the rest of the board?

I think what we really need is some Sercos that are good at propaganda. (and maybe some really nasty Akanian Itani players who give the rest of our nation a bad name)
Dec 03, 2004 CrippledPidgeon link
we can put out propaganda, but no one believes it because there's nothing to back it up.
Dec 03, 2004 Thrangar link
I havent met a Serco yet that wasnt shooting at me!

I am a new comer based on my experience the Serco are Evil.
Dec 03, 2004 Sun Tzu link
Sercos are all yang.

I would not call this "evil", but definitely unbalanced.
Dec 03, 2004 Icarus link
Serco are evil? What the hell? Only yesterday I was helping an Itani by demostrating what happens when a volley of Neut3 shots slam into his Wraith. Ok, so I may have fired a few too many and he exploded, but hey... no-ones perfect! I then helped out even further by taking his cargo to a nearby station where i sold it and kept all the profits for myself... ;-)
Dec 03, 2004 Lin link
*lol* ... Icarus at it's best.
Dec 03, 2004 Viper2560 link
well i was gunna defend serco on this one but after hearing Icarus's little statment im a little hesitant. :/ But the thing is its true in both aspects. The backstory was writtin by an Itani who did most likely white-wash it. The Serco really didnt get a fair shot within the backstory. But in-game alot of the Serco are people who are gunna shoot on sight of any Itani. True some dont, but to my experiance most do. I can almost always either get away or shoot back and win but the thing is the Serco are relentless. ex. Im traveling thru gray space on a trade run cause i need credits. A serco jumps into the same sector as me and proceeds to try and kill me for my cargo. I end up swingging around and killing him before he depleated 50% of my ship. About 2 minutes later after I sell my cargo i check on channel 100 and i see him/her (i dont remember) broadcasting a message asking if anyone has seen me. Im goin WTF! About 10 minutes later he gets a tip of where i am and comes to try to destroy me...again. And again he fails. This process goes on for about another 30 min.

The point of that is that HE WOULDNT STOP HUNTING ME. I could see him doing it once but you figure after i killed him twice he would just leave me alone.

But also on the contrast I have had Serco play a big help in protecting me from a batch of UIT pirates. For a small fee of coarse :P But that really didnt bother me. The Serco are very disputable. But i would like to see this "Serco version backstory"
Dec 03, 2004 iTripped link
Viper, at least you were able to defend yourself. Imagine the poor sod who just started, and gets killed repeatedly, instead of killing the aggressive player.

Personally, I like the back story. I also like the fact that it is blatantly slanted. I LOVE the fact that someone can badmouth another player simply because of 'racial' tension. I also love that other players can rise above it.

Earlier in the thread someone suggested keeping the taunts to the RP channel, and I think that is a great idea. The whole 'serco are misrepresented underdogs' thing is rich enough to continue exploring in the right context. An alternate history could add to this, but it is also okay the way it is.
Dec 03, 2004 Spellcast link
the main problem with the current history iTripped is that it is, in general, a very bad idea to paint one segment of a MMORPG playerbase as "bad" or "evil". Most people play MMO's to be the hero, and while a good hero needs a 'good' villan to balance him/her out, forcing other players to play the part of that villian is usually a bad idea.

Mostly because if you only have 1 out of every 5 players who want to be the villian, the heros end up with nothing to do.
Dec 03, 2004 RelayeR link
I'm Serco...I'm proud, I'm not augmented in any way and I'm very easy going.

The entry in RP about me being a pirate was sarcasm.