Hello Devs.Respectully, you took wrong action with the six latos cheaters.You shouldve banned them all and made public martyrs of them.They cheated and made billions of credits.now credits are worthless.Currently certain wanna be mob guilds are probably to blame for this but I am very made about this.Please ban them all from the game.

Also you should know that 4 or 3 players make most capie ships in game and sell for real money.Please ban those players as well.These player are the badest type for this game.Ban both the buyer and seller.Should not be hard to find out who is who by looking for capship part trades with no credits given.Thankyou for reading.You make a fun game.

Nobody made billions & the players who made millions got all their credits taken away. People have exploited before and made credits easy but in most of the situations some players who made easy credits get to keep their credits.

So what i'm basically saying is why not ban the exploiters of all the time ? Or why not really go deep into this and spend 1-2 months finding about every bug which was exploited and take credits/items from all exploiters who got them illegally ? Everyone who exploited *any* kind of bug. Whether they did in small amount or large. Rules should be the same for everyone.

Hang those *Culprits* or send FBI after them right ? Because they chose to play the game.

Also it is per individual choice if they choose to ask credits from other players or help their friends/guild members in their capship build for free.Seems like you're mad because you don't like grinding or any of those 3-4 dedicated players who spent months/years of time to help others in capship builds.

If you don't like those players you can always login and shoot them or take those conquerable stations where capships parts is built. Asking devs to ban everyone to kill your competition is a cheap way to win.

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Not that I care (economy never had any value to me personally) but a few things.

Nobody made billions & the players who made millions got all their credits taken away.

Errm, it says in the news article posted by Incarnate that Billions could be made in a week. Are you telling me nobody made Billions when it certainly was possible? Maybe you didn't, and that is why you got to keep yours, but when the developer of a game is saying people made billions, then it really does not matter what you think.

Not all bugs are equal. Stop defending these people, they are cheaters. No, making billions a week and totally devaluing the economy for everyone is not the same as getting a crystal free powercell. If you do not understand that there are different levels of hell for a reason then fine, but some things are worse than others and this is really fucking bad and anyone involved should have all their characters reset if not outright banned. This is a long running exploit that should have been reported, and if you do not agree then you are a part of the problem.

Also selling things for real life money is against the TOS, but as it then forces these people to subscribe to use that ill-gotten capship it is not on the same level as this at all. No exploits are used making them and someone does the work - not a cheat or exploit just immoral depending on your stance. This bug though? Nobody was doing this money making run and thinking "man, I'm such a l33t trader, nobody can test me!" - no, what you ALL were thinking is "this shouldn't be possible, but MUHAHAHAHA, look at all the credits!!!!!!!11112221111oneoneone"; and that is what makes you all [removed] in my opinion.

The amount of bugs and exploits I've found over the years that could make me rich, or the biggest number of kills or biggest stat that... and I've reported every single one. And people say people like me spoil this game for shooting folks, while sat in their guild, from up on their high horses, helping nobody and exploiting the game (this isn't the first time shit like this has happened). I think it is about time people re-evaluated who are the "baddies" in this game.

"Not all bugs are equal. Stop defending these people, they are cheaters. No, making billions a week and totally devaluing the economy for everyone is not the same as getting a crystal free powercell."

The developers said some players almost made close to billion credits , it wasn't even 1 billion credits & the developers already has taken all those credits from all exploiters from their guild bank , accounts etc. ( which they never did before ).

I know a few players who made easy credits with avalons refill in past when it was used to pay you instead of taking away your credits.

Then there was cargo doubler bug which got fixed and the developers took items from people station storage , but some players moved their cargo in their ship inventory to hide it and later sold it to make millions/billions.

You guys are just salty and trying to make those traders *culprits* because you guys hate grinding or trading.
Even tho devs took all of their exploited money away ( you still made a post in general section to create drama )

I know who chester copperpot is & i know why you immediately came to help him in the arguement.

"Not all bugs are equal."

All bugs are equal whether it is trading exploit , farming exploit or *Raising Faction standing* Exploit quick to back to what it was after killing peaceful players in game.

& Rules should be the same for everyone.

Here's the thing, if you're currently able to solo-generate a Billion credits a week, with fairly casual trading, this is not an indicator of you being a "Trade Genius", it means something is "broken" and should probably be reported. - https://www.vendetta-online.com/h/news_37406.html

There is no arguing or debate with you. Cheating is wrong and they got busted. Don't want to do the time? Do not do the crime. Simple.

Rules are the same for everyone, but the levels of punishment should match the crime. Should someone be sent to prison for life because they jaywalk or smoke in the wrong place? No, do not be so dramatic.

P.s. I don't know the OP and do not care about the current community players or their debates, so please take a new tact with your argument.

There is no arguement indeed , the developers already has taken the action which fits into the situation.....

What are you on about ?

RWT yes ( there is support tickets in game to report any EULA or ROC breaking activity )

But it is still per individual choice if they choose to help their guild members / friends for free or not.

I agree that if the developers think the action taken is fine, then that is all fine and good. What I don't agree with is everything else you have said. The punishment should fit the crime, regardless of what you personally think, this is a bad bad exploit and way worse than anything else in recent history.

Also I am not an active member of the current community, I have no friends or enemies in it. Everyone sucks the same and you are all meat. Why is it every time someone says something you do not agree with they must be a supporter of the "other side"?

Nuff said really.

"Also I am not an active member of the current community, I have no friends or enemies in it. Everyone sucks the same and you are all meat. Why is it every time someone says something you do not agree with they must be a supporter of the "other side"?"

I'm an active member of the current community and has been from years , the only players who suck in this game are the ones who are to lazy to play the game and shoot their opponents.

Why i shouldn't be allowed to state my opinion in general section ?

You guys are really mad don't even want the opposition to even say anything & just want them straight banned.

Heh.

There you go again, putting words in my mouth.

1) I am not angry, I just think exploiters are scum and do not deserve your defence.

2) I am not too lazy to play, rather too busy.

3) I do not want anyone banned, at worst I would like a total reset of their character, as who knows what else they exploited?

I get it, you do not think generating billions of credits a week actually happened even though the main developer is saying as such. You do not think the people involved in this exploit did much wrong, and you think that bending the TOS is fine as long as it meets your own guilds needs and this is fine. It is wrong, but it is fine.

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"1) I am not angry, I just think exploiters are scum and do not deserve your defence."

I'm not defending anyone ? The developers has already taken the action they see fit in this situation - what are you on about again ?

"2) I am not too lazy to play, rather too busy."

And this gives you the right to say everyone "Sucks" ? Be nice yoda , you're better then that.

"3) I do not want anyone banned, at worst I would like a total reset of their character, as who knows what else they exploited?"

That's your assumption , what you're basically saying is who knows if they exploited what ? ( that's possible for incarnate to know this is why he only taken exploited money ).

I get it , you're just arguing and doing all this to create drama and waste incarnate time in all this.

The bug has been fixed and the devs has taken the exploited money back , move on yoda.

Well, I didn't say everyone sucks, I said everyone sucks the same. It is a bit like saying I love you all the same, except I do not love any of you - and no, I am not better than that.

I'm not caring if any further action is taken (although I would prefer if it was), I do not care if Incarnate even reads this thread, I just think you are weird for sticking up for the cheaters. If you do not get that after 4 posts of me saying that, then I guess I just wasted about 3 minutes typing all that. Oh well.

I've personally not said anything about banning anyone. The OP did, I just corrected you on your false statements (how do you know nobody generated billions?).

"I'm not caring if any further action is taken (although I would prefer if it was)"

The suitable action has been taken , ofcourse you will prefer alot of things which will kill all the competition for you or your friends who still play to win from your oppostions/Rivals guild.

"then I guess I just wasted about 3 minutes typing all that. Oh well."

Stop wasting your time trying to prefer incarnate what to do & what not to do , he knows better then you - he has been running this game from 20-25 yrs or something.

"(how do you know nobody generated billions?)."

The developers said some players were able to generate amount closer to billion credits , it was millions.

Also Everyone is allowed to state their opinion and speak their mind in general yoda , nothing personal.

Take care bro

The suitable action has been taken , ofcourse you will prefer alot of things which will kill all the competition for you or your friends who still play to win from your oppostions/Rivals guild.

There you go again - I have no friends or guild interests. When I log on I shoot a few and log back off. I say nothing important and may answer the odd question - that is it. None of my toons are in guilds. None of my toons are traders or pirates or mechs or whatever. They simply are.

Please stop presuming you know me. You know nothing about me, and your statements show this. You are the one who came to this thread in defence of the guilty party. Unless you are the guilty party then why would you care either way?

Stop wasting your time trying to prefer incarnate what to do & what not to do

Errm, I know better than most that Incarnate will do what he thinks is best. This debate isn't about Incarnate or bug fixing or anything but you. Your statements on the second post in this thread are wrong. All I did was point that out and now you are presuming that I have some ulterior motive and I honestly do not care about your so called friends. I have not said once that you should shut up or that you should not post, I am simply stating my opinion.

Yeah, indeed, take care bro - no offense or bad feeling taken!

Know what's funny ? The guy who spends hours arguing in game forums and pretend lazy/busy in RL when asked to login and shoot players if you're so frustated.

Suggesting devs to ban , take people all their credits away seems better way to kill the competition.

You pretend you're not friend with anyone and yet you immediately jump in to defend chester and argue further on his points kinky.

Tc bro

/me backs away from the thread before lock.

Also I'm allowed to be a little bit pissed off at this, regardless of Chester or whoever else is - took us vets years to build up the kind of trust that Incarnate is refering to in the news post, and being one of the oldest players who has been very active in the bug report sense this probably pisses me off more than most.

So stick that in your bong and smoke it. Yes, I should have stopped posting and gone to do better things(tm) - but we all get 5 minutes to post sometimes.

Post the memes when yer losing an arguement Pro Yoda Move -

Yea feel free to pretend you're not friend of chester and you didn't spent almost 2 hours arguing here on his behalf instead of playing the game.

I'm logging in and playing the game ,Feel free to post further and enjoy your arguements.

Dude, my last comment I promise, but there is something you are not getting.

GS are not some big company like Valve or Epic, they do not employ 100's of play testers and there are a total of 2 developers (3? I dunno, lose count) that have to do everything. We are the play testers. The only thing that pisses me off about this whole thing is just that. The developers are more open to our suggestions because they hope we will test them and feedback any problems.

Years ago, back in 2006 this exact same thing happened, only the biggest abuser of the bug happened to be a guild mate of mine that I had upmost respect for - I told him time and time again to report the bug before abusing it - but he did not. He made billions. Seems he didn't keep his mouth totally shut as others were also making billions. Long and short of it is although I did not report tumblemonster, I did report the bug, and he was found out and the devs did what they are doing this time. He got upset because it seemed that some of the people that abused it didn't get reset. Whatever mate to be honest.

It split the guild up and not only did I lose a good friend in tumble but I also lost my guild, and most of the people in it. I still don't know if he knows it was me that reported it, cannot remember if that ever came out, but you know what? Whatever. I will not lose any sleep over him crying about essentially stolen money. He knew it was wrong.

So yea, keep up with your BS mate. I'm known as a few things around here, but one of them isn't someone who takes sides or goes the RP route when it comes to exploits - I take that shit serious. You are now just making us both look a bit stupid, but enjoy the story anyway. And stop with the name calling dude, you sound like a political nut.

Cool story bro , i also reported multiple bugs over the years , you're just doing drama for no reason here.

The developers has already fixed the route and taken all the exploited money from where those players moved them.

And inc will take further action if he find anyone exploiting again.

Stop Over-Reacting so hard when devs already have taken the action , you know what you're doing from earlier responses ( you already knew you are crossing your line and will keep doing this until this thread gets locked ).

Posting memes , saying everyone sucks , calling the opposition "Political Nut"

-Pro Yoda move 2021

I've locked this thread because it was ill-advised to start with and then became repetitive and in violation of the "Be Nice" rules.

The devs made the decisions they did using the information that only they have. The character of those who exploited the bug has been revealed to the devs, and trust has been lost.

It is unfortunate that the unreported bug became an exploit that resulted in a loss of development time for everyone.