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[Wed Mar 17 23:59:25 2021] *** *** You have been muted for 10m 00s of in-game time.
Reason: Your chat on 2021-03-18 03:34:58 GMT was determined to be inappropriate by administration: it is very rude of itty bitty little pissant germs like you to leave nation space, "Flying Baxter"
"determined to be inappropriate" : As in that the inappropriateness of it is self evident?
"Flying Baxter" was the other character's name? How am I to be held responsible for the appropriateness of a name that you allowed a character to have?
Or should I not point out how rude it is of noobs to leave nation space?
or is it a problem with the language? you are offended by words like: itty, bitty, little, pissant, and/or germ?
Can anyone be even a itty bitty little more specific on this.
lol
If no one ever complained, I would wonder if I ever said anything worth hearing.
in any event, thanks for cheering me up. i didn't realize how much cheering up i needed until i saw that. heh. thanks.
Reason: Your chat on 2021-03-18 03:34:58 GMT was determined to be inappropriate by administration: it is very rude of itty bitty little pissant germs like you to leave nation space, "Flying Baxter"
"determined to be inappropriate" : As in that the inappropriateness of it is self evident?
"Flying Baxter" was the other character's name? How am I to be held responsible for the appropriateness of a name that you allowed a character to have?
Or should I not point out how rude it is of noobs to leave nation space?
or is it a problem with the language? you are offended by words like: itty, bitty, little, pissant, and/or germ?
Can anyone be even a itty bitty little more specific on this.
lol
If no one ever complained, I would wonder if I ever said anything worth hearing.
in any event, thanks for cheering me up. i didn't realize how much cheering up i needed until i saw that. heh. thanks.
Since they changed the /mute to /report, I've been muted for telling someone they suck, and to be honest, they did suck. Basically, you are right though. I can talk with people sometimes all day long, with a little rudeness, and as long as nobody does /report it will go unnoticed and it seems fine, but people use it as a tool to annoy those they don't like.
Pretty much every report against my characters has been done by the same group of people, and it all started because I called ONE of them out for sitting in a capship all day long at a worm hole sector, spying on folks. You couldn't kill it, as it had 3 UiT gunners aboard, and was parked at a UiT worm hole. Nobody double checks this, they just see if a bad word was sent, and take action if it was, I feel the only way to counter this is to /report them back (or self-censor and just shoot them). It is getting abused just like /mute was (to the point where people are actually trying to bait others into saying something they can be reported for), BUT at least the punishment seems more appropriate now. 10 Minutes for telling someone they suck doesn't seem so bad, at least it's not a constant /mute over and over when they don't like you now (and you have to have said SOMETHING to get the mute/warning, in your case, I'd guess the word pissant)
Pretty much every report against my characters has been done by the same group of people, and it all started because I called ONE of them out for sitting in a capship all day long at a worm hole sector, spying on folks. You couldn't kill it, as it had 3 UiT gunners aboard, and was parked at a UiT worm hole. Nobody double checks this, they just see if a bad word was sent, and take action if it was, I feel the only way to counter this is to /report them back (or self-censor and just shoot them). It is getting abused just like /mute was (to the point where people are actually trying to bait others into saying something they can be reported for), BUT at least the punishment seems more appropriate now. 10 Minutes for telling someone they suck doesn't seem so bad, at least it's not a constant /mute over and over when they don't like you now (and you have to have said SOMETHING to get the mute/warning, in your case, I'd guess the word pissant)
Welcome to the new VO
Yeh right when guides was used to mute people around - people said they imply favouratism towards certain players - now devs takes the action themself and people still whining lulz.
Kudos to devs for adding /report feature & i think all reports should count towards ban especially if the individual doesn't change their behaviour at all. I'm pretty sure incarnate gives people alot of chances to correct their behaviour but there needs to be a serious punishment for those who doesn't stop and keep doing the same stuff in chat again & again.
The people who think they are above RoC sucks.
Less whining more shooting plz :D
Kudos to devs for adding /report feature & i think all reports should count towards ban especially if the individual doesn't change their behaviour at all. I'm pretty sure incarnate gives people alot of chances to correct their behaviour but there needs to be a serious punishment for those who doesn't stop and keep doing the same stuff in chat again & again.
The people who think they are above RoC sucks.
Less whining more shooting plz :D
I could understand it if it was a new player but Flying Baxter is a big boy/girl and prolly found it funny
The simple rule is to "be respectful in all communication on 1 and 100".
The slightly more complex litmus test might be: if you said the thing to a random stranger in a bar, might they punch you in the face?
There are a variety of places in Milwaukee, where you would probably not want to call someone an "itty bitty little pissant germ".
While Flying Baxter might understand the comment differently on context, the fundamental idea is to have public chat be a fairly reasonable environment, that doesn't immediately dissuade any new people from wanting to play the game.
This is why this issue was originally raised, by the player-base, back in 2017, and then discussed again by me in 2019.
To quote the 2017 thread:
"Noobs come to this game looking for community and guidance where the tutorials fall short. They join 100 and see salty BS and leave. The conversations are disconnected from what they are doing in Sol II or Itani capital. Leaving 100 takes away the community, thats not a solution." - Ore
And, I mean, consider the context that that's coming from Ore. He's not exactly a fragile, gentle shrinking violet. A lot of people recognized these issues.
The /report system is evolving. It's a work-in-progress. Some people have had their ability to issue /reports removed, because they kept using it as a system to attack particular players.
There's always going to be some element of that, although there are planned additions to the system that will further reduce that.
I don't claim the system is perfect, but I will say that, on balance, the average content on 100 is a lot better now, than it was in 2017, 2018 and 2019.
In general, if you are muted, you were probably spamming, being excessively "biologically obscene" or overly sexual in some kind of description, you were being a dick, or making a real-world political reference. You should probably stop doing that.
That's most cases. Obviously, we also do not tolerate racism or anything egregious like that. There is also the RoC.
Eventually, there will be more specific guidance to players (in the game), that will pop up, as we make actual interfaces around this system (you may note we're only just bringing online a new system for making interfaces at all), and as we more concretely codify what the specifics of the guidelines will say, which has been in flux over the past year or so.
Generally speaking, though, use the first rule I wrote up at the beginning. If you stay respectful in your chat, you should be fine. As soon as that stops.. well.. we're going to have a problem eventually.
The slightly more complex litmus test might be: if you said the thing to a random stranger in a bar, might they punch you in the face?
There are a variety of places in Milwaukee, where you would probably not want to call someone an "itty bitty little pissant germ".
While Flying Baxter might understand the comment differently on context, the fundamental idea is to have public chat be a fairly reasonable environment, that doesn't immediately dissuade any new people from wanting to play the game.
This is why this issue was originally raised, by the player-base, back in 2017, and then discussed again by me in 2019.
To quote the 2017 thread:
"Noobs come to this game looking for community and guidance where the tutorials fall short. They join 100 and see salty BS and leave. The conversations are disconnected from what they are doing in Sol II or Itani capital. Leaving 100 takes away the community, thats not a solution." - Ore
And, I mean, consider the context that that's coming from Ore. He's not exactly a fragile, gentle shrinking violet. A lot of people recognized these issues.
The /report system is evolving. It's a work-in-progress. Some people have had their ability to issue /reports removed, because they kept using it as a system to attack particular players.
There's always going to be some element of that, although there are planned additions to the system that will further reduce that.
I don't claim the system is perfect, but I will say that, on balance, the average content on 100 is a lot better now, than it was in 2017, 2018 and 2019.
In general, if you are muted, you were probably spamming, being excessively "biologically obscene" or overly sexual in some kind of description, you were being a dick, or making a real-world political reference. You should probably stop doing that.
That's most cases. Obviously, we also do not tolerate racism or anything egregious like that. There is also the RoC.
Eventually, there will be more specific guidance to players (in the game), that will pop up, as we make actual interfaces around this system (you may note we're only just bringing online a new system for making interfaces at all), and as we more concretely codify what the specifics of the guidelines will say, which has been in flux over the past year or so.
Generally speaking, though, use the first rule I wrote up at the beginning. If you stay respectful in your chat, you should be fine. As soon as that stops.. well.. we're going to have a problem eventually.
Either way it is waaaaay better than the old /mute system. I didn't mean to sound like I was whining, more rambling in response if honest. Emotion so hard to gauge online huh.
It is somewhat better... we have traded more user-exploitable, longer, imprudent and harder-to-initiate mutes for fairly immediate, admin sanctioned, shorter mutes that are often hypersensitive (lending to perceived user exploitation).
baby steps, but steps nonetheless
baby steps, but steps nonetheless
Yeah, as I said, the system is evolving and I expect future improvements will reduce the number of "bad actors" who submit mutes for the wrong reasons.
Also, it should be noted that people who repeatedly do something ill-advised, over and over again, are now losing their ability to chat on public channels permanently, or getting banned. So, the system of escalation is now much more active, as well.
Also, it should be noted that people who repeatedly do something ill-advised, over and over again, are now losing their ability to chat on public channels permanently, or getting banned. So, the system of escalation is now much more active, as well.