-1. You thought incorrectly.

Maybe i'm wrong, but this sounds like a suggestion. So I don't know why you posted it in the general forum. (So when a guide moves this thread, please edit out this line so my reply doesn't look silly)

Anyways, here are my thoughts on the UDV from June: From my "Bring back the SP UDV" thread .

Alright, I guess. Traditionally we put these in the Suggestions forum and hash them out. It's pretty rare that we drop a fully-formed suggestion in that forum without discussion.

Yeah. Generally, if you want to make a suggestion to change the game, or raise a gameplay-related concern, it goes into Suggestions.

I appreciate that you're reluctant to post there prematurely, but we don't have an alternative forum for "discussing possible suggestions before we actually make Suggestions". This kind of discussion is part of the reason for that forum.

The UDV is supposed to be weaker than the prom or valk. Being UIT is a sacrifice of top tier combat ships. How is that principle still unclear.

IF you want to test the waters before making a suggestion then talk about it on 100 and see what kind of traction you get there.

I have killed top tier pilots (ep) UDV vs Valk, before they increased the armor of the UDV. My request to increase the combat thrust to 218 to match the valk was granted some time before that.

If you can not take a pilot valk to valk, you are not qualified to judge the UDV.

A UDV with megaposi and jack should move as well as a valk with two suns and a law.

Wash's mega neuton thread from 2016
bill316's mega neutron thread from 2009





What was ignored?

Heini:

Don't assume your post has been ignored.

You have to understand how the Suggestion forum works here. The devs cannot and will not respond to each and every idea, but they do look at them. Sometimes they search the forum looking for old suggestions that are parallel to something they are working on already and will implement them.

Our available time is sporadic, plus the context and value of different suggestions can wax or wane based on other things happening in the game (like other changes that alter the balance of the game). We will always have more Suggestions than we have time to implement them, but there's still a lot of value to the discussion.

I read the Suggestions forum more than any other forum (even if I don't always respond), it occupies a lot of my time.

But, understand it is the "Suggestion" forum. Not the "Demand" forum. Also, after 15 years of forum management, I have no remaining patience for negativity or bitterness (including over what gets a response or what gets implemented).

Find a way to be positive.. there's a good chance that if your idea is solid, it'll get attention from the community, and it may eventually influence things. There are obviously a lot of great ideas on the Suggestions forum that haven't been implemented yet, but I don't consider them "dead", and I re-visit old content on a regular basis. Often, more recent discussion adds useful "modern" context to older ideas, etc.

I think heinii meant his suggestions got ignored by the playerbase, not the devs.

It didn't.

Heini: "And why did a conversation about whether or not the UDV needs a buff turn into a discussion about me?"

Because some of us think that perhaps the UDV is already getting pretty close to balanced (It still spins like a taur), but you are ignoring us.

So the conversation is no longer about us ignoring you, but you ignoring us.

Get good at piloting, before judging ship performance.

Heinii you are missing the point, the game is skill based. The stats of a ship only effect about 20-30%of the outcome. A player in a UDV who knows how to use it can dominate the fight. Likewise with all other ships, just because it doesn't feel right to you doesn't mean it is a bad ship.

I would agree on slightly buffing thrust tho...

I agree it's a crap ship compared to other nation ships, hence the popular nickname "craptor". Even a slightly lesser skilled player in a SCP or an X-1 would be able to dominate it, BUT as pointed out above, it never was supposed to be a top tier combat ship.

Does an X-1 or a SCP have built-in scanners? No. The UDV traded off some characteristics for others.

The "craptor" name stems from a time back when the UDV did not exist yet. It certainly is not crap, especially in a context outside of 1vs1 encounters.

Perhaps try some PVP in ion storms? Or team PvP with chat on, so the UDV pilot can tell his team what the other ships are equipped with?

I see the Raptor as a ship designed to work in a group. The only drawback is the lack of group play currently common in VO.

Raptor spin handling is poor, making it difficult to aim.

UDV combat speed and combat thrust is equal to a Valk. Similarly capable weapons packages on each leave them at about the same total mass, allowing a UDV to dodge as well and go toe to toe with a Valk at all ranges that are not forcing the spin issue.

UDV armor is better than a Valk.

Rocket launcher safety fuses are radically different between large and small port rockets, and I consider this to be the last great disadvantage of the UDV.

I think that the Valk is the best close in energy fighter of the three.
I think the the UDV is the best to shoot runners in the back, and plenty capable in a strait up fight.
I think the SVG is in the ball park, with low license requirements.

If you think that there is something wrong with the UDV, I have to wonder if you are just doing it wrong.

I bet I can use a UDV to destroy every Valk you bring at me.

There is an entire guild that formed on the idea of pirating people in ion storms using UDVs. Those pilots use the UDV with great success with that specific goal. It is quite a formidable ship.

One of the posters in this thread likes to use a UDV with a MP/screamer. And they are quite effective with it. If you are a pilot who prefers the IBG/Rev C, you are probably not going to find success with the UDV.