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Giving out a freind key, gives a user.
Your account name.
Your real name as registered with guild software.
This is not acceptable. Why would I give a *friend* key to someone not my *friend*? Well, because this is the Internet guys. My advice to all.
After paying for your game each month, log into your account, and change your name to some bullshit before you give out a friend key. If I wanted people to know my real fucking name, my account name and all, I would goto a club.
FFS!
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Lets not mention that this is a security issue, why the fuck can you just not send them the name of the character that sends them the key? Why relay ANY personal info? Naming my account is a security risk because then they know my game login name, all they need to do is brute force the website or game for most peoples passwords, and my real name? FFS.
Your real name as registered with guild software.
This is not acceptable. Why would I give a *friend* key to someone not my *friend*? Well, because this is the Internet guys. My advice to all.
After paying for your game each month, log into your account, and change your name to some bullshit before you give out a friend key. If I wanted people to know my real fucking name, my account name and all, I would goto a club.
FFS!
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Lets not mention that this is a security issue, why the fuck can you just not send them the name of the character that sends them the key? Why relay ANY personal info? Naming my account is a security risk because then they know my game login name, all they need to do is brute force the website or game for most peoples passwords, and my real name? FFS.
You go girl!
I did say this about errm a year ago, and they did say they would change it, but I guess not.
Maybe they don:t want us to give out keys yet? Just like they don;t want a lot of capships in space. Because tablet users might cry.
I did say this about errm a year ago, and they did say they would change it, but I guess not.
Maybe they don:t want us to give out keys yet? Just like they don;t want a lot of capships in space. Because tablet users might cry.
It's OK yoda, I've contacted a legal representative that has looked through the EULA and TOC, and see nothing about Guild Software being able to share our account info in this manner.
It's here
12. We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties. For example, we may be forced to disclose information to the government or third parties under certain circumstances, or third parties may unlawfully intercept or access transmissions or private communications. Additionally, we can (and you authorize us to) disclose any information about you to private entities, law enforcement or other government officials as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate to investigate or resolve possible problems or inquiries. Furthermore, if you request any technical support, you consent to our remote accessing and review of the computer you load the Software onto for purposes of support and debugging. You agree that we may communicate with you via email and any similar technology for any purpose relating to the Game, the Software and any services or software which may in the future be provided by us or on our behalf. You may choose to visit www.vendetta-online.com if said web site offers services such as a Vendetta Online game themed chat room or other services of interest to you. You are subject to the terms and conditions, privacy customs and policies of GUILD while on such web sites and in connection with use of your Account and the Game, which terms and conditions, policies and customs are incorporated herein by this reference. Since we do not control other web sites and/or privacy policies of third parties, different rules may apply to their use or disclosure of the personal information you disclose to others. Solely for the purpose of patching and updating the Game, you hereby grant us permission to (i) upload Game file information from the Game directory and (ii) download Game files to you. You acknowledge and agree that we may transfer Game and your Account information (including your personally identifiable information and personal data) to the United States or other countries or may share such information with our licensees and agents in connection with the Game.
But yes, that does not cover sharing a persons real name or account name, infect, this part:
13. WE PROVIDE THE CD-ROM, THE SOFTWARE, THE ACCOUNT, THE GAME AND ALL OTHER SERVICES "AS IS." WE AND OUR SUPPLIERS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF TITLE, NONINFRINGEMENT, MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Without limiting the foregoing, we do not ensure continuous, error-free, secure or virus-free operation of the CD-ROM, the Software, the Game, your Account or continued operation or availability of any given server. Some states do not allow limitations as to how long an implied warranty lasts and/or exclusions or limitations of consequential damages, so the above limitations and/or exclusions of liability may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights and you may also have other legal rights which vary from state to state.
States about state to state law, but does not encompass the entire globe, I smell a lawsuit.
12. We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties. For example, we may be forced to disclose information to the government or third parties under certain circumstances, or third parties may unlawfully intercept or access transmissions or private communications. Additionally, we can (and you authorize us to) disclose any information about you to private entities, law enforcement or other government officials as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate to investigate or resolve possible problems or inquiries. Furthermore, if you request any technical support, you consent to our remote accessing and review of the computer you load the Software onto for purposes of support and debugging. You agree that we may communicate with you via email and any similar technology for any purpose relating to the Game, the Software and any services or software which may in the future be provided by us or on our behalf. You may choose to visit www.vendetta-online.com if said web site offers services such as a Vendetta Online game themed chat room or other services of interest to you. You are subject to the terms and conditions, privacy customs and policies of GUILD while on such web sites and in connection with use of your Account and the Game, which terms and conditions, policies and customs are incorporated herein by this reference. Since we do not control other web sites and/or privacy policies of third parties, different rules may apply to their use or disclosure of the personal information you disclose to others. Solely for the purpose of patching and updating the Game, you hereby grant us permission to (i) upload Game file information from the Game directory and (ii) download Game files to you. You acknowledge and agree that we may transfer Game and your Account information (including your personally identifiable information and personal data) to the United States or other countries or may share such information with our licensees and agents in connection with the Game.
But yes, that does not cover sharing a persons real name or account name, infect, this part:
13. WE PROVIDE THE CD-ROM, THE SOFTWARE, THE ACCOUNT, THE GAME AND ALL OTHER SERVICES "AS IS." WE AND OUR SUPPLIERS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF TITLE, NONINFRINGEMENT, MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Without limiting the foregoing, we do not ensure continuous, error-free, secure or virus-free operation of the CD-ROM, the Software, the Game, your Account or continued operation or availability of any given server. Some states do not allow limitations as to how long an implied warranty lasts and/or exclusions or limitations of consequential damages, so the above limitations and/or exclusions of liability may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights and you may also have other legal rights which vary from state to state.
States about state to state law, but does not encompass the entire globe, I smell a lawsuit.
It was already reported as a BUG and requested a few times in suggestions...
This is a ROLE-playing game... so we play a role, not our real "person"... and a real person can have many "alts", one as pirate, other as trader, another as nationalist... and this BUT/feature/design choice makes most serious players not use friend keys, unless using their main alt...
This is a ROLE-playing game... so we play a role, not our real "person"... and a real person can have many "alts", one as pirate, other as trader, another as nationalist... and this BUT/feature/design choice makes most serious players not use friend keys, unless using their main alt...
This is abuse of personal information. It is illegal, I do not see anywhere in the EULA where it says the devs can share my name, unless a law enforcement agency request it, WTF?
I used to love this game, giving out two friend keys has changed that.
I used to love this game, giving out two friend keys has changed that.
It was reported back when we first implemented friend keys, and I was quite sure it was fixed quickly after it was reported. We were not aware this was still present. I missed any related suggestions threads.
Well it is. And it is illegal.
Yeah, way to spoil my chars Inc, I was being nice :(
FWIW, Ray was sure we fixed it too. We're looking into it now. It's possible it was somehow reverted or re-bugged by some other change since then, but that'd be.. surprising? It is definitely not intentional.
Maybe people just aint as nice with newbs as I am, but yeah, both of them reported back that they got my full name, and were worried. Hey at least they were honest with me.
Lol, nice with newbs, thats gotta be a new thing for me but...
Lol, nice with newbs, thats gotta be a new thing for me but...
The fixing of this issue was even directly listed in the 1.8.151 changelog, which dates from Oct 30th, 2010, a few days after it was originally reported (we fixed the problem immediately, but didn't list it until the next release changelog):
"- Giving out a Friend Key no longer provides sender's real name."
(You can see the changelog in this guy's bugs post)
So.. we did fix this, at least to the best of our testing and knowledge. I have no idea why the issue re-emerged after that. There must be some case we missed, or some new bug that re-created the problem. In any event, we're checking into it now.
"- Giving out a Friend Key no longer provides sender's real name."
(You can see the changelog in this guy's bugs post)
So.. we did fix this, at least to the best of our testing and knowledge. I have no idea why the issue re-emerged after that. There must be some case we missed, or some new bug that re-created the problem. In any event, we're checking into it now.
Like I said here >> http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/1/25239#310735 I thought this was addressed, so it kind of came as a surprise when one of them pm'ed me.
On the legal front, like I said, you have it covered here
12. We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties.
So yeah, just please fix it so I can give out keys if needed :) I will be happy. As far as my chars that have been exposed. Meh, I can make new ones.
On the legal front, like I said, you have it covered here
12. We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties.
So yeah, just please fix it so I can give out keys if needed :) I will be happy. As far as my chars that have been exposed. Meh, I can make new ones.
Well, I'm less concerned with legal liability, and more that this problem exists at all. We really try to be vigilant about security and privacy related issues. It's something that resonates with us personally, and it is quite upsetting to learn that this problem has been out there.
Yeah, I kind of know that, so was kind of surprised when someone I know well ripped into me about it.
And it is illegal.
No, it's not. Welcome to not being in the EU/UK: aside from banks and medical records, the U.S. doesn't have blanket laws preventing the unauthorized disclosure of personal information by common merchants (unless the state of Wisconsin has some really funky privacy laws of which I'm unaware). Yoda's already pointed out why there's no breach of contract issue.
Which is not to say this isn't stupid of GS -- just that you're throwing around big words unnecessarily and incorrectly.
States about state to state law, but does not encompass the entire globe, I smell a lawsuit.
Yoda, I hope that was meant sarcastically, otherwise it's an Allohesque mangling of warranty disclaimer language >.<
/rant against laypersons with an overinflated belief in privacy laws
No, it's not. Welcome to not being in the EU/UK: aside from banks and medical records, the U.S. doesn't have blanket laws preventing the unauthorized disclosure of personal information by common merchants (unless the state of Wisconsin has some really funky privacy laws of which I'm unaware). Yoda's already pointed out why there's no breach of contract issue.
Which is not to say this isn't stupid of GS -- just that you're throwing around big words unnecessarily and incorrectly.
States about state to state law, but does not encompass the entire globe, I smell a lawsuit.
Yoda, I hope that was meant sarcastically, otherwise it's an Allohesque mangling of warranty disclaimer language >.<
/rant against laypersons with an overinflated belief in privacy laws
The email no longer includes your real name and account name. It only includes your character name now.
The server-side is fixed now and the client menu will not show your real name in the next client update. Even though it is visible in the menu, it is not used.
The server-side is fixed now and the client menu will not show your real name in the next client update. Even though it is visible in the menu, it is not used.
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@ Raybondo
Can you make sure it will not revert this time? :P
@ Raybondo
Can you make sure it will not revert this time? :P
Damn it, Whistler! :P
Ok. Moving right along..