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Do you feel you have adequate experience and knowledge to help balance PvP? If so, we would appreciate your vote in this thread: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/23612
We're trying to get more feedback on some ideas being tossed around to balance Itani vs. Serco combat. The devs don't have time to fly as much as we do. This means your feedback regarding balance is very important. If you do cast a vote, please make sure to give some reasoning behind it.
We're currently only casting votes against ideas, not for. You can vote against as many ideas as you like, but only once per idea.
We're trying to get more feedback on some ideas being tossed around to balance Itani vs. Serco combat. The devs don't have time to fly as much as we do. This means your feedback regarding balance is very important. If you do cast a vote, please make sure to give some reasoning behind it.
We're currently only casting votes against ideas, not for. You can vote against as many ideas as you like, but only once per idea.
Just add two new fucking ships and be done with it that thread has turned into a bunch of ego tripping and dick sucking. None of you care about balance it's just a word you throw around to try and get your way. If you cared about balance you would all stop whining about search and Itami becoming too similar and just fucking fly. I don't see why you all think nerfing the ships till they basically just sit in one spot is a good idea.
Ok apparently my phone can only handle so much typing but if you all cared about balance you would let the search get a fast ship and the Itami a bomber so the choice of which nation you are as a newb does not dictate how you have to learn to fight.
Tldr you are all idiots
Tldr you are all idiots
I have to agree with Pey. In a RL conflict each side ends copying the other so it would be the same for the itani/serco. Give serco an alternative to valks and give itani an alternative to proms...
Peytros just doesn't want a valk nerf.
Congrats nahin you get reading comprehension 1. I don't want a prom nerf either if you couldn't tell
This thread seems to be much about "Valk vs Prom", both in 1v1 single combat (where the prom is king) and group combat (where the valk gets the spotlight). This is all well and good, the 1v1 comparison is fair to make for a 1v1 PvP fight, but the group argument is full of holes I says... Group combat is NOT about "group of ships A is better then group of ships B", any real group is (should be?) composed of a variety of different ships. Thus it should not be "a group of valks is better then a group of proms, NERF!!!!", rather you should look at the bigger picture.
I DO agree that the Itani NEED a heavy fighter in their a arsenal, and that the Serco NEED a good chaser. But I do NOT think the Prom/Valk should be 1-to-1 counterparts, and each has it's strengths/weaknesses...
Saying "the valk is better at group combat" when the groups consist of ONLY valks and ONLY proms is not fair because you're comparing apples to oranges when you should be comparing the various fruit baskets that each team is more likely to be composed of. By nerfing one/other to be more equal in group combat you will completely F*CK the "1v1" component of balance, leave the poor ships be and add more ships to balance groups, because groups are NOT about ONE type of SHIP!!!
I DO agree that the Itani NEED a heavy fighter in their a arsenal, and that the Serco NEED a good chaser. But I do NOT think the Prom/Valk should be 1-to-1 counterparts, and each has it's strengths/weaknesses...
Saying "the valk is better at group combat" when the groups consist of ONLY valks and ONLY proms is not fair because you're comparing apples to oranges when you should be comparing the various fruit baskets that each team is more likely to be composed of. By nerfing one/other to be more equal in group combat you will completely F*CK the "1v1" component of balance, leave the poor ships be and add more ships to balance groups, because groups are NOT about ONE type of SHIP!!!
Thank you Ghost for spotlighting the ongoing discussion in the suggestion forums:
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/23612
Any comments on pvp should be directed to that thread.
This thread (here in general forums) is about how players are communicating to create a plan to further improve game play, based on the experience of players. Some of the players commenting in the above mentioned thread have a reputation as some of the very best and most knowledgeable players to have ever played.
Any comments here on pvp will most likely be lost to those following the thread in suggestions, so please post accordingly.
It is understandable that a few opportunistic players, that make a point to find and exploit any advantage available, will be disgruntled at the loss of any of those advantages. Such is the nature of the opportunist. Those players add a certain value in game and in discussions, and so should be tolerated (with a grain of salt).
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/23612
Any comments on pvp should be directed to that thread.
This thread (here in general forums) is about how players are communicating to create a plan to further improve game play, based on the experience of players. Some of the players commenting in the above mentioned thread have a reputation as some of the very best and most knowledgeable players to have ever played.
Any comments here on pvp will most likely be lost to those following the thread in suggestions, so please post accordingly.
It is understandable that a few opportunistic players, that make a point to find and exploit any advantage available, will be disgruntled at the loss of any of those advantages. Such is the nature of the opportunist. Those players add a certain value in game and in discussions, and so should be tolerated (with a grain of salt).
You misunderstand, peytros. You don't want your precious valk to be any less awesome than it is, for selfish reasons.
Drazed... ok.
Drazed... ok.
Hell, I'm pro-nerf and I think you all just want to protect your precious little valkjock cowboy playstyles (no 'fense guys)... but I don't see what led you, Nahin, to believe that peytros has more selfish motives than all the others. This is either a genuine case of spontaneous mind reading, or a simple grudge that is a prime example of what needs to stay out of these boards.
Obviously, a nerf would not be approved by the community. Also, as Incarnate said in the linked thread, the devs are interested in fixing balance problems. By elimination, I'd say that the best compromise would be a pair of new nation-specific ships variants; one valk knock-off for the Serco and one prom knock-off for the Itani. Why take away when you can add? That's my current consensus, compromising on my preference for balancing the ships already in-game.
Obviously, a nerf would not be approved by the community. Also, as Incarnate said in the linked thread, the devs are interested in fixing balance problems. By elimination, I'd say that the best compromise would be a pair of new nation-specific ships variants; one valk knock-off for the Serco and one prom knock-off for the Itani. Why take away when you can add? That's my current consensus, compromising on my preference for balancing the ships already in-game.
"None of you care about balance it's just a word you throw around to try and get your way."
My ship of choice has been the valk for 5 years. Nothing about a valk nerf runs parallel to "getting my way".
I would like to point out that, like many others, peytros is a Serco who chooses to fly a Valk... if that's not more proof that something needs to be fixed, I don't know what is.
Patience please. Just because you like the suggestion you've made doesn't mean we should not discuss other options. As I've said numerous times, I'm not opposed to adding new ships. However, you don't seem to have any concept of what this process entails for the devs. Adding one new ship with a new model takes a LOT of time and effort from the devs. If we're looking at adding two new ships in, with all the other (and much more important) things the devs are trying to do, good luck seeing that before the end of the year. And if that's what the devs would have to focus on to get this situation fixed rather than doing things like fixing the economy, or factions, or adding player controlled cap ships or more dynamic deneb warfare, I would much rather have never brought the topic up.
The other option is just using the old models and literally giving the serco a nerfed valk and the itani a nerfed prom... and then we would have two identical nations with different colors.
I would really like to keep the good discussion we have going in the other thread. We are the best source of feedback for the devs in this type of matter. That being said, I would prefer for this not to turn into a flame war. I was hoping we could have a reasonable discussion about this and determine a solution, or whether a solution is needed at all, together
My ship of choice has been the valk for 5 years. Nothing about a valk nerf runs parallel to "getting my way".
I would like to point out that, like many others, peytros is a Serco who chooses to fly a Valk... if that's not more proof that something needs to be fixed, I don't know what is.
Patience please. Just because you like the suggestion you've made doesn't mean we should not discuss other options. As I've said numerous times, I'm not opposed to adding new ships. However, you don't seem to have any concept of what this process entails for the devs. Adding one new ship with a new model takes a LOT of time and effort from the devs. If we're looking at adding two new ships in, with all the other (and much more important) things the devs are trying to do, good luck seeing that before the end of the year. And if that's what the devs would have to focus on to get this situation fixed rather than doing things like fixing the economy, or factions, or adding player controlled cap ships or more dynamic deneb warfare, I would much rather have never brought the topic up.
The other option is just using the old models and literally giving the serco a nerfed valk and the itani a nerfed prom... and then we would have two identical nations with different colors.
I would really like to keep the good discussion we have going in the other thread. We are the best source of feedback for the devs in this type of matter. That being said, I would prefer for this not to turn into a flame war. I was hoping we could have a reasonable discussion about this and determine a solution, or whether a solution is needed at all, together
I'm not going to start defending him, but peytros is KoS with Serco and technically a defector. He's far from the biggest offender of exclusivity. And I'm sorry I didn't elaborate on my suggestion in this thread, but I mentioned in the other thread that I thought the Itani should get a Wraith variant and the Serco should get a Hornet variant as opposed to entirely new models.
Having the same discussion in two threads (soon to be three if Roda doesn't stop throwing a fit) is awefully confusing, as evidenced by the above mix-up. Perhaps we should redirect our focus back to the original thread.
Having the same discussion in two threads (soon to be three if Roda doesn't stop throwing a fit) is awefully confusing, as evidenced by the above mix-up. Perhaps we should redirect our focus back to the original thread.
Yes. And while I admittedly singled out peytros, I was more trying to make the point that there are many from other nations who choose to fly the valk over their own nation ships.
This thread was never intended to be a branch of the discussion, but to draw more attention to the sometimes overlooked suggestions forum. Now if only Bojan or yoda were around to ninny lock this thread...
This thread was never intended to be a branch of the discussion, but to draw more attention to the sometimes overlooked suggestions forum. Now if only Bojan or yoda were around to ninny lock this thread...
As a counterpoint, I DO NOT fly Valks. While I may have dabbled with the odd non-Serco alt, I am primarily a Serco, and a Prom-jock.
2-3 (4?) years ago, however, EVERYONE flew SCPs, even Itani (except the SKV ninnies).
Then they nerfed it.
Now EVERYONE flies a Valk.
2-3 (4?) years ago, however, EVERYONE flew SCPs, even Itani (except the SKV ninnies).
Then they nerfed it.
Now EVERYONE flies a Valk.
Ghost you ninny!
Yay!
2-3 (4?) years ago, however, EVERYONE flew SCPs, even Itani (except the SKV ninnies).
Then they nerfed it.
Now EVERYONE flies a Valk.
This. [SCAR] Mk. I had a well deserved reputation as a band of rocket-ramming, flare-spamming, AGT-whoring Prom Jocks. We never bothered with the valk, for 1v1 or for gangbangs, until the SCP got its balls clipped.
Then they nerfed it.
Now EVERYONE flies a Valk.
This. [SCAR] Mk. I had a well deserved reputation as a band of rocket-ramming, flare-spamming, AGT-whoring Prom Jocks. We never bothered with the valk, for 1v1 or for gangbangs, until the SCP got its balls clipped.
"until the SCP got its balls clipped."
I always thought Serco was overcompensating for something....
I always thought Serco was overcompensating for something....
I don't know about everyone else, but I don't fly an SCP because my experience was that lots of people wouldn't fight me if I was in an SCP. I just feel kind of dirty fighting in something that powerful against most opponents, and the few opponents who are skilled enough to make it a nice challenge are a lot more fun to fight in lights.
The SCP is still a nasty fighter. I fought a skilled beta last night, him flying an SCP, and was at 30% before I knew what had happened.