Genka, when you troll by stating a position so stupid that 99% of the game populace won't consider it a seriously held one, you fail. The bait has to cover the hook more effectively.

I expect subtler, more imaginative trolling from you.

While I fully empathize with all the hate for the sector list as it is currently implemented, I don't think it's a completely useless feature. I think a nerfed sector list that essentially just spits out the information available to you from your radar/sensory equipment would still be useful. Especially for finding people in a sector in a friendly situation, and picking specific targets in busy hostile situations. If tidbits of info such as distance, ship, pilot, etc are available via sensory equipment at varying ranges, then a list is really just a concise manner in which to view this.

For instance:

1. If your radar can't see a ship, that ship doesn't show up on the list (including occlusion).
2. If your radar can see the ship, but your sensory equipment can't obtain any information about it's type, faction, or pilot, then it shows up as "Unknown vessel/Distance to" (this level of varying information is yet to be implemented).
3. If your radar can see the ship, and your sensory equipment can pick up faction/type/pilot/etc, then it shows as it does now.

Until there is some other manner to display this level of information that is a bit more useful that red/green dots on a very limited (information wise) radar system, I think it should stay. Avec severe nerfing.

Edit: Another aspect that could be tied into the sector list could be the buddy system. Your buddies could always show up on your sector list. This would throw a wrench into the affairs of those players who like to have every single person in existence on their buddy list, but would, IMHO make both the sector list and the buddy system much more purposeful.

Edit 2: This could also tie in nicely to the sensory mine suggestion. One could litter a sector with mines, and therefore obtain a very comprehensive report of the going-ons in a sector.

Yeah, I don't think anyone has too many issues with a list of what can be seen by radar. Just not the "I'll hit U and instantly know if I need to deal with another player as soon as I hit the sector" form the sector list has now. So. Terrible.

Also, no French, Gav.

Agreed, french is super annoying. Also, "you're" ≠ "your".

I can use as much French as I like. I'm officially bilingual! Even though I don't speak or read French fluently!

You're just mad because you don't understand it! >_>

Although I dislike mixture of languages for its own reward, as well. Write your post in all French, that'd be the ticket!

Other than that, I agree with your post, Gavan, and I remember saying the exact same thing, only not where I did so. Strange déjà vu, that. (Mwahahaa)

Using a word or phrase from another language in an English conversation is acceptable given that

a) A word with equivalent meaning does not exist in English
b) Said other language is not French

Using "avec" instead of "with" fails on both counts. Try again.

Hahaha, ladron, nicely put. Although, I would add a caveat to point "a", saying that another word might be acceptable if it sounds cool and the meaning is easily understood in context. "avec" passes the context rule, but fails the sounds cool rule hundreds of times over for being french.

"Using "avec" instead of "with" fails on both counts. Try again."
"but fails the sounds cool rule hundreds of times over for being french"

No it doesn't, it actually sounds pretty good, sounds comme la "voodoo".

It fails the context rule as far as i'm concerned.

Being French, one may simply say that it fails.

quoi?

It actually doesn't fail, simply because it is a common thing for Anglophone Canadians to do, and therefore an aspect of our culture. Whether you like it or not is another story, but you could say that, as a bilingual culture, we have the right to slaughter it however the hell we like :) Hell, our politicians have been doing so for over a hundred years!

Edit: Should probably get this topic back on topic as well. This is one of the better things to happen to VO in quite a while IMO, and while I personally have a vested interest in discussing the issues of improper use of French and English, I certainly think it's the wrong place and time.

It's not like the US and its residents are guiltless when it comes to abusing the language >_>

Sorry! Get back on topic!

it is a common thing for Anglophone Canadians to do, and therefore an aspect of our culture

That hardly makes it right; it just makes yours a particularly loathsome culture.

Agreed, right up there with Nazi Germany and Cambodia circa mid to late seventies. A horrible, horrible thing it is. It's a wonder the world puts up with us.

Were you geographically anything other than America's hat, I'm sure they wouldn't.

Hey Lecter, your "culture" is showing.

Back on topic:

I was thinking on Smitten's idea of proximity as a means of occlusion, and realized it would present an interesting tactic: that of sneaking from roid to roid to attack a prey. Granted this would only really benefit pirates hunting miners, but hey! It would be soooooo much fun :)

I really don't think there's much hope for a return to the topic.

/edit: Whoa! There might be something to this whole "optimism" thing. But then again, it probably causes autism.

I think it could benefit miners trying to sneak away, or traders trying to lose a pirate. It might even make for a good heart-pumping hide-and-seek combat.

There you go! Consider this thread back on topic!