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Well, you all seem to be having a go against people who are ranked highly, which I think is a little unfair.
I bot because the games scoring parameters demand it to achieve the number one spot. Call me vain, but I like to see myself up there. I'm not a wannabee, I just do it and you complaining that your not at the top "but could be above Blaster by tomorrow morning" doesn't mean anything to me.
This doesn't mean I think I'm the best fighter, capper or trader but just means I spend time online "scoring". The abuse I've received for it in the past is unreal from people who think I have a huge ego and want to take me down. You'll actually find me very quiet online and I generally won't respond to people who get agitated and hurl abuse when killed or even just see me around. If someone can kill me then fine, you wont find me complaining. I don't ask for respect or special treatment from anyone, so don't get the idea I think I'm better than you lot. Plenty are better than me, I live with it.
If anyone wants to be number one then go for it, no use complaining about botters. If they change the calculation on scoring to take in things like PK's then I would still try to be at the top by whatever means.
FYI:
I flag cap and escort others
I do come out of S14 to trade (my home is in S15 if anyones interested)
I let n00bs take the bot cargo in S14 that I don't bother to pick up
I give money defend and help n00bs out
I defend our flag when needed
I won't kill anyone with less than 10k score, and only kill those under 50k if provoked
I do participate in all kinds of other stuff, Ive even killed the frigate a few times
My getting good personal stats helps the nation as a whole
And remember guys, the stat's don't lie ;p
I bot because the games scoring parameters demand it to achieve the number one spot. Call me vain, but I like to see myself up there. I'm not a wannabee, I just do it and you complaining that your not at the top "but could be above Blaster by tomorrow morning" doesn't mean anything to me.
This doesn't mean I think I'm the best fighter, capper or trader but just means I spend time online "scoring". The abuse I've received for it in the past is unreal from people who think I have a huge ego and want to take me down. You'll actually find me very quiet online and I generally won't respond to people who get agitated and hurl abuse when killed or even just see me around. If someone can kill me then fine, you wont find me complaining. I don't ask for respect or special treatment from anyone, so don't get the idea I think I'm better than you lot. Plenty are better than me, I live with it.
If anyone wants to be number one then go for it, no use complaining about botters. If they change the calculation on scoring to take in things like PK's then I would still try to be at the top by whatever means.
FYI:
I flag cap and escort others
I do come out of S14 to trade (my home is in S15 if anyones interested)
I let n00bs take the bot cargo in S14 that I don't bother to pick up
I give money defend and help n00bs out
I defend our flag when needed
I won't kill anyone with less than 10k score, and only kill those under 50k if provoked
I do participate in all kinds of other stuff, Ive even killed the frigate a few times
My getting good personal stats helps the nation as a whole
And remember guys, the stat's don't lie ;p
I chose not to get in the #1 spot by botting, so there are other #1 spots, such as, most deaths, most pks, s/k rating. etc.
Never cared about any of these, I just play the game to have fun, not to be the best in a certain category :D
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xochiluvr and Nytemayre
- You seem to be in favour of people to PK to get into the higher rankings - just my opinion ...but - i think that it could be a bad idea if this is what you are suggesting - i dread to think of the type of gameplay if ALL of the botkills listed in the top 50 ranking pilots stats were PK's instead as the top pilots fight for 1st place..... 'cos chances are they aint just going to shoot each other......
i personally favour a game where both bots and players are threats at different times - and its not needful to destroy everything you see - i could play as a pure PK'er but i wouldnt enjoy it to be honest...
As a sidenote - its incredibly easy to misjudge from statistics
(CannonFodder wanders away wondering why humans are so competitive)
- You seem to be in favour of people to PK to get into the higher rankings - just my opinion ...but - i think that it could be a bad idea if this is what you are suggesting - i dread to think of the type of gameplay if ALL of the botkills listed in the top 50 ranking pilots stats were PK's instead as the top pilots fight for 1st place..... 'cos chances are they aint just going to shoot each other......
i personally favour a game where both bots and players are threats at different times - and its not needful to destroy everything you see - i could play as a pure PK'er but i wouldnt enjoy it to be honest...
As a sidenote - its incredibly easy to misjudge from statistics
(CannonFodder wanders away wondering why humans are so competitive)
"I chose not to get in the #1 spot by botting, so there are other #1 spots, such as, most deaths, most pks, s/k rating. etc."
Hehe, most deaths.... :-D
Hehe, most deaths.... :-D
I don't pk and I don't bot much either. I do participate though. This isn't a point race it's a game test.
Well....Roger I'm not attacking you or the other top 5 players or saying anything about you in particular. I appreciate that you want to be in the top spots. Its understandable. I understand why botters do it, but I feel they shouldn't be forced to do so. Rank should be assessed in a much fairer way that does not limit a player to just one activity to achieve "greatness".
What I was saying is that the ranking system needs to reflect more than just points AND more than just pks. It should take into account pks, points, bots, S/K (if you're killing 365 bots without nukes I'm impressed), caps, etc. I'm sure it would have to be a complex formula, but thats the way it goes. There should be no surefire way to just get #1. Hell I think even time with the flag should count for something. Sometimes grabbing the flag isn't to cap it, but to prevent caps against your own when outnumbered =P.
Once again, I reiterate that I'm not condoning using just pks as a ranking system, but I feel they should be more pivotal than bot kills. It should be a weighted, multi variable calculation so as to reflect a player's skill.
--0xD
What I was saying is that the ranking system needs to reflect more than just points AND more than just pks. It should take into account pks, points, bots, S/K (if you're killing 365 bots without nukes I'm impressed), caps, etc. I'm sure it would have to be a complex formula, but thats the way it goes. There should be no surefire way to just get #1. Hell I think even time with the flag should count for something. Sometimes grabbing the flag isn't to cap it, but to prevent caps against your own when outnumbered =P.
Once again, I reiterate that I'm not condoning using just pks as a ranking system, but I feel they should be more pivotal than bot kills. It should be a weighted, multi variable calculation so as to reflect a player's skill.
--0xD
I have two things to say:
Firstly, I think it would be nice to be able to sort the player ranking list by whichever column you want, then we could easily see the top players in each category.
Secondly, I agree with a post above that capping should pay more. Currently, 4k is peanuts compared to say, one 14-15 cargo trip. If the team bonus was increased, it would help new players out a bit, giving them a boost. Therefore, I would like to see Flag Captures be worth more.
- Haywired
Firstly, I think it would be nice to be able to sort the player ranking list by whichever column you want, then we could easily see the top players in each category.
Secondly, I agree with a post above that capping should pay more. Currently, 4k is peanuts compared to say, one 14-15 cargo trip. If the team bonus was increased, it would help new players out a bit, giving them a boost. Therefore, I would like to see Flag Captures be worth more.
- Haywired
CannonFodder: NO, I'm NOT saying people should become pkers and just hunt other players.
What I'm saying is that I'd like to see more participation in the team-based activities: capping, cap defense. By extension that means more player kills, but that is a means to a end, the end being participation in a team sport, a common goal. I have more respect for a player with a 30/50 cap ratio than I do a player with 1900 botkills.
Botting is EXACTLY the same thing as trading. It's meant to be a means to an end, not the end itself.
Roger - I know you have skill, I know you're fairly quiet in-game (so it's not an ego trip for you), and I know you help cap on occasion, etc.
And I understand that you like seeing your name at the top of the list. What -I'm- saying is that that list is on the whole fairly meaningless. Getting to the top of that list takes only time and money, neither of which is a factor in determining skill or participation. Botting is like squashing mosquitos.
Wouldn't you feel better knowing you're at the top of a list that means more to other people, not just yourself?
I think that the ranking system needs to reflect more participation than mere score. Perhaps Players could see other top-lists - Caps, PKs, How many times you've killed a capper, etc.
Celebrim, you really need to make up your mind. You compalin when people use certain tactics, when they DON'T use certain tactics, certain weapons, etc.
Furthermore, you seem to be in the wrong thread, because your post only tangentially has ANYTHING to do with the discussion in progress. I care more about the 150 pks you have than I do the two thousand one hundred botkills of yours. Somehow I think I'm well within my rights to do. That you're ranked 21st and that there are only FOUR players higher than you in the rankings with more pks proves my point. Three if you don't count Icarus. I'm ranked somewhere on page three and have more than twice your pks.
It's NOT that I want to see myself higher on the list. It's team participation that interests me, and that necessitates pks. If you just want to kill computerized bots, why waste your time in an MMORPG? Go play Space Invaders.
What I'm saying is that I'd like to see more participation in the team-based activities: capping, cap defense. By extension that means more player kills, but that is a means to a end, the end being participation in a team sport, a common goal. I have more respect for a player with a 30/50 cap ratio than I do a player with 1900 botkills.
Botting is EXACTLY the same thing as trading. It's meant to be a means to an end, not the end itself.
Roger - I know you have skill, I know you're fairly quiet in-game (so it's not an ego trip for you), and I know you help cap on occasion, etc.
And I understand that you like seeing your name at the top of the list. What -I'm- saying is that that list is on the whole fairly meaningless. Getting to the top of that list takes only time and money, neither of which is a factor in determining skill or participation. Botting is like squashing mosquitos.
Wouldn't you feel better knowing you're at the top of a list that means more to other people, not just yourself?
I think that the ranking system needs to reflect more participation than mere score. Perhaps Players could see other top-lists - Caps, PKs, How many times you've killed a capper, etc.
Celebrim, you really need to make up your mind. You compalin when people use certain tactics, when they DON'T use certain tactics, certain weapons, etc.
Furthermore, you seem to be in the wrong thread, because your post only tangentially has ANYTHING to do with the discussion in progress. I care more about the 150 pks you have than I do the two thousand one hundred botkills of yours. Somehow I think I'm well within my rights to do. That you're ranked 21st and that there are only FOUR players higher than you in the rankings with more pks proves my point. Three if you don't count Icarus. I'm ranked somewhere on page three and have more than twice your pks.
It's NOT that I want to see myself higher on the list. It's team participation that interests me, and that necessitates pks. If you just want to kill computerized bots, why waste your time in an MMORPG? Go play Space Invaders.
xochiluvr... I just want to say something in regards to your statement "If you just want to kill computerized bots, why waste your time in an MMORPG? Go play Space Invaders."
This really seems to contradict your first statement "NO, I'm NOT saying people should become pkers and just hunt other players."
Now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. You say you want to promote team play. That's a noble cause. But right now there are only four ways to play the game: 1) bot-kill, 2) p-kill, 3) flag caps, 4) trade. But your logic is flawed and it weakens your whole point.
Flag captures and trading are the only ones that require team play. I don't flag cap, but I've flown in many a convoy in order to protect myself. Not many p-k's involved in a trade convoy though, so maybe I should go play space invaders.
This really seems to contradict your first statement "NO, I'm NOT saying people should become pkers and just hunt other players."
Now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. You say you want to promote team play. That's a noble cause. But right now there are only four ways to play the game: 1) bot-kill, 2) p-kill, 3) flag caps, 4) trade. But your logic is flawed and it weakens your whole point.
Flag captures and trading are the only ones that require team play. I don't flag cap, but I've flown in many a convoy in order to protect myself. Not many p-k's involved in a trade convoy though, so maybe I should go play space invaders.
Player kills should be worth more (except when in a bus). Sure, anyone can nuke a couple thousand bots and get in first place, but thats just lame, now going up a real person should count more, because they can actually THINK unlike bots and don't walk right into a nuke...
I think damage hits should be recorded for players also. Most of the time when I engage someone in combat and I'm winning, they'll just boost away to the nearest station, with only around 1-10% hull integrity left. Another thing that happens is when I'm killing a bot or a frigate, someone will always come in and kill it before my finishing shot (or the bot will issue on an asteroid). Either way it's really annoying. What would be a nice way of recording accuracy would be to display the average amount of damage you inflict on your enemies. I don't know if it's possible, but I think it would give a better sense of who has more accuracy or who is more capable of inflicting damage rather than getting kills. That way people who steal kills or nuke bots all day will stick out.
Good call arolte. I've sure as hell run away from fights that I know I'm gonna lose. 25% and I'm outta there. I feel kinda bad doing it, but thats the way it is. I've also had the same experience with the frigate. One time someone jokingly went after it with a bus and actually delivered the death blow after I spent about 30k on nukes. I was pretty pissed. Accuracy or Damage Dealt would be great stats to start tracking.
People are getting hundreds of thousands of points by mining 350 bots. At first they shot the mines, but after about 50-100 mines are in place, the bots get stupid and dont even move.
definitely, Arolte. It would help in big group combat, too... There have been several times where I'll do 95% damage to people, only to have somebody take one shot and get all the credit. Maybe there'd even be a way to reflect that in the score (not that it matters in the test, but it might help for the final version)? You know, like 1% of the bounty for every %1 of damage you do, or something.
-Jarlaxle
-Jarlaxle