Any proms I have engaged seem to be able to run rings around me and destroy very easily ( yep heavy bomber, I know lots of amrour and large ports). Oh and I'm not to peppy in P vs.P combat yet.... *sigh* someday :)

My question is this.....Is that due to keyramping + good skill or is it that a heavy bomber is uber manoveurable? If so How come rags cannot be that twitchy? They are pretty much in the same spacecraft class after all.

I guess in conclusion....If the finest spacefighter in the Itani nation ( valk ) has trouble outturning an articulated truck then we are in a bit of trouble....

Pointers and discussion are appreciated

Virtual Tequila lime pie to the winning reply

I actually think the recent changes to the prom made it balanced now. It's an assault craft, not a heavy bomber, so it should be able to run rings around a rag. Remember that in a rag you also have a lot more firepower than a prom. In comparison to a valk, well, the valk can outrun a prom. It has much better energy drain as well as acceleration. Although I still think they should not have decreased the valk's top speed, but that's another topic.

In my eye's......if they took the prom's agility down it would get mowed to pieces, and they already have many time's if im not mistaken.Take in notice it is the serco's pride and joy...it has to pwn the itani's :P

P.S. i can see this turning into an interesting thread.

Dang you ghost u posted before me >:(

Proms are less the "super-ship" that they used to be after the most recent reduction in speed. They're still pretty good, a Valk or Cent or even a Vulture can outmaneuver them, but the combo of the AGT with the Flares on a Prom is still pretty good.

They're beatable, but MAN they have a lot of armor.

All Prom users should be ganked by at least 2 light ships (heh without any complain! =p)
Fell free to disangage and ask for back up

CF, the Rag is a Bomber with a lot of firepower. Flown with fighter support, it's an awesome ship. But in a 1:1 scenario, it wouldn't be my first choice.
As far as the Prom's go, if you get chased down by a Prom, you're doing something wrong. Proms can't chase. Nor can they run away.

Graig, before this last nerfage turned the prom into a floating brick, I never complained about facing off with 2 light fighters with my Prommie. To be quite honest, I thought it was fun. And with some people, it wasn't an option.

Now it's just an exercise in shipbuying.

I think that, due to its heavy armor and heavy weaponery, it is quite fair to fight against a prom with, let say, an IBG and a Valk. Honestly I didn't noticed what the last nerfing did to the prom, I must admit that I Hate those ships and try not to engage them untill I have some back up.

Ewww Proms Grrr.

Yeah. I happily took on multiple targets in the old prom, but the devs are moving to make it another 1v1 ship. While I liked the prom better as an über multipwner ship, it's just as well that existing fighters are being made 1v1 balanced, so that the cappies can be the true group combat ships.

-Calder

The RagIII's thrust should at least match the TaurIII and it doesn't even come close. It is really the rag that is left out in the cold here.

An interceptor can take a prom 1v1 consistently. (It just takes forever.) Most pilots are impatient and try to rush a prom, and the prom ends up mowing down multiple targets.

Okay, I shouldn't be giving tips to prom pilots, but I feel I have to in this case. The prom is still FULLY capable of taking on multiple opponents. The difference is that where as before you could charge recklessly in shooting flares and agt, now you have to be smart about it. In a light fighter, patience beats a prom. So in a prom, what happens if you're more patient? In the words of shape: "If you're getting hit by energy weapons outside of 150m, you're doing something wrong." If targets keep their distance, instead of blindly chasing them you have to use tactics to make them come to you.

IMO, prom is perfect now. Still very deadly even to multiple opponents, but now it actually requires some strategy to use.

/me shoots himself in the face for giving tips to prom pilots

Problem is, that most prom pilots are used to flying a very forgiving ship. It's still plenty forgiving (anything you can slap an AGT on without killing its maneuverability is plenty forgiving), except that maybe it's a wee bit less easy to fly.

For those who think the prom now is a brick, they probably have not met Amarus before. He flies the "brick" pre-uberized Prom with 2 rails and a jack, and he pwns, big time. I wonder why people don't fly the post-uberized prom like he did...even when he came back for a while he slap on an AGT and couple of flares because....it was so much easier to win with that combo so why put in more effort?

It is a bit sad that I don't get to fight people like this anymore.

[EDIT : And yeah, Amarus is the best prom pilot in the game, I don't care what the current prom pilots say. Cuz he made the brick a fearsome opponent. Gawd, I both despised him and enjoyed fighting him :D.]

@Ghost: common dude couldn't you let them suffer say 2 or 3 more months before giving them this tip?!?

=)

I agree with GRAIG.

A prom is gank bait. I feel no sympathy for whining prom-ers.

I got out of the prom so I wouldn't have to listen to the whining ANTI-prommers. I think I'm going to climb back in. No AGT though, I find those too easy to dodge and generally tiresome.

Whining promjocks Mick? What about the whine WE get every half second for flying a prom!

oh, and Ghost: hate to tell, you but you're not giving us 'brickheads' something new to chew on. Been there, done that, doesn't work. A prom backing off from two fighters doesn't stand a chance. You can't dodge two streams of energy indefinitely, and that's how long it takes to kill a fighter at long range with an AGT. It just doesn't work outside of 100m unless the person sucks and is simply rolling.

On the other hand, I often try this in one on one combat. When someone starts backing off, I turn auto-aim off, start spewing, and back off myself. They come in, and when they're within 200m, I make a quick turbo start and rev my prommie in for the kill. If someone's good enough, fast enough, and recongnize the signs of a charging prom quickly enough, they can get a couple of shots off before retreating, but it works on most people.

-Calder

Just as a reminder ; Proms used to be around as agile as our cents are today, and had 25,000 armor :)

Person: There's more to being patient than backing off. I'm not going to give you all the tips. Not once did I say a prom should back off. My words were: "Use tactics to make them come to you."

I'll give you one because this one is pretty common: Be aware. Keep your eye on your radar. Engage one target halfheartedly with the idea of sucking the 2nd in close. Be patient, and when he comes in too close to escape, turn around and blast him while he's in tight. Remember, when facing anything other than a rag or a centaur (arguable a wraith and hornet as well, but a prom shouldn't have trouble with those) the prom has the firepower advantage. You have to find ways to use it.

Of course no tactic works 100% of the time. If you're facing a pilot who has some experience, he'll be ready for you to make a quick turn. But that's only one tactic you can use =)

Why am I not dead yet?!?!
/me shoots himself in the face again

Hehe, it's funny that Calder is declaring Ghost's advice as incorrect.

Proms definitely should be turned into a 1 v 1 ship...and I personally don't think they are quite yet, though I am a little rusty still.

At this point I can hold off a prom 1 v 1 for a while, but if it's say 2 proms vs 2 valks, proms as ganking ships are naaaaasty.

I was thinking today about what VO's gonna be like with over 100+ players...now first of all imagining that they're nice respectable players, IE no spam 'n run. If a single 1 man ship can take on more than one other 1 man ship, there'll be a horrible imballance, unless of course everyone can easily get the multi-tasker.

I can take em down with a rev so they're balanced now.
You can't fight on in a hog tho smitti.
Hog's always get the short end of the stick.

If anything, I think the collision mesh could be bigger on a prom.