A note to Mods: Maybe this belongs in RP, but it should not go in off topic as it is about something in Vendetta, and the RP context for doing so

--

In Miharu's most recent RP, she has herself point out the star of Sol, where people originally came from. I posted a response, questioning that in VO's world, it was possible to see it but not reach it.

She asked me to remove my post and put it in off topic if I needed to post it somewhere (probably so no one would read my questioning of her continuity), but instead I've got it here in General, or soon possibly, RP again.

ANYWAY

My thinking was that between the Itani's hibernation thing, and advancements made in that field, and all the other technological advancements, it would be possible to send some people over there.

Hmm. That post made no sense to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Smittens is asking whether the original Sol and Earth would be reachable via conventional travel using either a colony ship or a craft carrying travellers in suspended animation.

Unless my thinking is flawed, it would certainly be possible to do so, but since there is no wormhole area connecting our part of space back to Sol Prime, any such craft would have to fly at non-FTL speeds. In the backstory, Sol II is said to be "Almost on the other side of the galaxy" from Sol Prime. This puts the likely realspace distance between the two at 50,000-100,000 lightyears. Even if the frozen travellers arrive safely at Sol Prime, what can they expect to find, and how would it benefit us on the Vendetta sector of the galaxy?

maybe sol 2 isnt the closest system to sol 1

As I said to Smit, it's NOT feasible. There's relativity to deal with. Relativity makes life not-fun.

Assuming the ship was travelling at near c, then a 50,000 - 100,000 year trip on the ship would appear as something close on the order of a million years by any outside observers.

Even if the war ended and the Serco and Itani decided to be lovey-dovey and all that cutesy jazz, by the time they got back to Earth, what would the chance of humans still being there in any recognizable form *if at all*?

A slightly amusing thing about this is that if the trip were to take two million years to the outside observer, anyone on Earth could go back to Sol II when Humanity in Exile returned, making a complete cycle.

Thanks for the clarity Nerde.

And what aboutu Who? Me?'s point?

Miharu, your post seems to deal with starting at Sol II, but with all these other systems I'd say the chances are pretty good that you could get a head start if you left from some other one

What a cool thread! It is just fine here.

No, it does NOT, Smit. For the record, I said your question was "off topic and did not belong in my logs as they are not a place for debating physics or semantics" not "post it in off-topic, bitch". Again, you prove your ineptitude in reading things carefully. I say one thing, you blow it out of proportion and make it mean something completely different.

I'd say just to reiterate my original point of 3-dimensional space that Edras or Jallik are the closest systems to Earth. REGARDLESS of where you leave from, you're still going to have a stupidly long journey ahead of you--one that is even MORE stupidly long to the observer. Any "head start" becomes meaningless to the observer. Head starts only matter in trips of small distances NOT involving speeds approaching the speed of light. The distances we're dealing with are so large that chopping off 1000 light years isn't going to make much of a difference on the important end--which is not the people inside the travelling ship.

Why are the people of Itan or Serco Prime going to care (if they're even still there) in a million or two years whether people got back to Earth or not? They'll likely have forgotten if they're still around!

What I was talking about when I mentioned going back to Sol II was that if the trip were to take 2 million years to the observer, the Saturn - Sol II wormhole would come back into phase around then. The people coming back could go back as soon as they get "home".

I'd question whether or not Sol is even visible and identifiable from any of the VO systems, before questioning the plausability of travelling back (theoretically possible, but very much not practical). As I understand how wormholes work, there's no easy, probable way to determine where one end of the WH is in relation to the other end, unless the two ends are remarkably close together.

but ya can reach a sun! ya cannot reach a planet, it would take several weeks, its just some glow effect, and damn right ya can reach a sun (prove me wrong, please :P)

You're not using relativity correctly, Celkan.

If it were traveling at c, it would take 50,000 - 100,000 light years in 'normal' time to get to Sol. For the people on the ship, time would pass slower.

Traveling at the speed of light doesn't make the ship go slower, like in your example ;)

ok, so I had it backwards. Still--it's long enough that it isn't worth it.

Seriously... do YOU think we're going to be around in 50,000 -100,000 years with the way we're going now?

With the way we were going in the VO storyline?

In the VO storyline? No. Would it matter even if they did? Not particularly. But given that several thousand years have passed since the wormhole collapse, the original Earth may have progressed enough technologically to create a spaceship capable of indefinate autonomous operation. Only a vote and some funding away from tossing off ramscoops (or whatever design they used) at random stars.

It would be kinda neat that if, from the Sol II system, you could "see" some kind of familiar constellation or something, and that one of the faint, faint stars was actually Sol.

Our fastest ships travel at 200 m/s infiniboost.
One light year is 9,460,528,400,000,000 meters.
It would take approximately 1.5 million YEARS to go just ONE light year at that speed.
So, by using the distance of 50,000 to 100,000 light years given by Nerde, the trip from Sol II to Sol "prime" would take somewhere between 75 and 150 billion years to complete.

The age of the universe is somewhere around 15 billion years.

Now, you have basically 2 (well 3 maybe) models of the universe.

In one model, the universe has enough matter to eventually halt the expansion and it collapses back in on itself in a "big crunch." This will most likely happen before the 75 billion years are up, so the trip is not really worth it, since existence will end before you can call home and ask when dinner will be ready.

In the expanding model, the spacetime "fabric" of the universe continues to stretch as the universe grows at a constant rate. Soon, the universe begins to stretch faster than 200 m/s and your trip becomes impossible.
In fact, if we take into account the newest theory of an "accelerating expansion" of the universe, the fabric of spacetime will very quickly (relatively speaking) accelerate past the 200 m/s mark, and the trip becomes hopeless after the first 10,000 years or so.

So unless toshiro can whip his team of crack serco scientists to work hard & figure out how to open up that wormhole again, we're stuck with each other for a while, folks.

BTW kickass website here: http://universeadventure.org/index.html

And then you have to factor in if they do make it back and there are no humans left on earth, they then have to make it back.

Or if there are humans on earth, again they would have to make it back.

Err, Leber, you're mostly correct.

The only thing is regarding the 2 models of the universe.

Neither of them is believed to be correct at the moment, since the universe is not only expanding, but accelerating.

The Serco do something like this with their custom of the "Hero's Return" ceremony.

When a famous warrior or public figure dies, their body is put in their ship with a selection of personal effects. The hatches are welded shut, it is fuelled, then launched on autopilot towards Sol. When it reaches Earth, it will burn up in the atmosphere, scattering the hero's remains on the homeworld.

The one thing that will not burn with the ship is a heavily shielded capsule containing the hero's name, and a prayer-scroll.

To earn a Hero's Return is the greatest honor a warrior can aspire to.

You know, I think sending a mission to Sol I is a GREAT idea!
I think Capt. Smittens would be the PERFECT leader, but he will clearly need specialists to help him along. I suggest Mr. Tramshed as a medical specialist, Mr. Shape as a navigator and general physics doo-hicky, Martin as the quick-thinking charismatic clown everyone loves and Miharu as a means of hours on end of entertainment.

This mission can't fail it's purpose! Hurrah!

If we substitute Ayn, Space hunter, and BUNNY for those five, you'll get my full support.

Better stick in Cunjo to be safe too, Holdan

And Leber, I may be wrong, but in the backstory the Ark gave me the impression that 200 m/s would be the fastest we could go.

And its 210, vult mk1