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Corvus engineers have stolen TPG ship design, but were not able to make duplicate of all systems, so they equipped it with cargo scanner instead of storm radar extender.
Still TPG mission needed to pilot it.
[Originally suggested Corvus Raptor]
Corvus Raptor
Price: 10,000
5/5/-/-/-
Armor: 8,000
Cargo: 14
Ports: 2S
Mass: 3,800 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 215 N
Turbo thrusts: 280 N
Speed: 60 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220 m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 54/s
+Cargos scanner
[EDIT][TPG raptor after discussion][/EDIT]
TPG Raptor mk3
Price: 75,000
10/5/10/-/-
Armor: 10,200
Cargo: 5
Ports: 2L
Mass: 4,600 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 220 N
Turbo thrusts: 280 N
Speed: 60 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220 m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 57/s
+Addon scanner
Still TPG mission needed to pilot it.
[Originally suggested Corvus Raptor]
Corvus Raptor
Price: 10,000
5/5/-/-/-
Armor: 8,000
Cargo: 14
Ports: 2S
Mass: 3,800 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 215 N
Turbo thrusts: 280 N
Speed: 60 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220 m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 54/s
+Cargos scanner
[EDIT][TPG raptor after discussion][/EDIT]
TPG Raptor mk3
Price: 75,000
10/5/10/-/-
Armor: 10,200
Cargo: 5
Ports: 2L
Mass: 4,600 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 220 N
Turbo thrusts: 280 N
Speed: 60 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220 m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 57/s
+Addon scanner
+1. TPG mission isn't needed to pilot any of them.
While I'm all for making the Raptor less useless, I am quite strongly against give Corvus another variant of anything. They've already got the Vulturius Vulture, the Superlight Centurion, the Greyhound Warthog, and the Mercenary Marauder; they don't need a Raptor variant on top of all that. That fact that the Raptor is supposed to be a TPG-exclusive ship only reinforces this sentiment.
Ok, let's compare "Exclusive ships" in TPG and Corvus.
Corvus, total: 4
Corvult
Cormaud
CGH
Cent Superlight
TPG, total: 7
Atlas Type B
Atlas Type X
Maud Type B
Maud Type X
Raptor
Raptor mk2
Behemoth XC
+almost all NPC cappies
So, it's RP wise to give raptor with integrated cargo scanner for Corvus or maybe Axia, but Axia doesn't have station in gray. All other minor factions don't need to construct pirate (read anti-convoy) variants of ships..
Corvus, total: 4
Corvult
Cormaud
CGH
Cent Superlight
TPG, total: 7
Atlas Type B
Atlas Type X
Maud Type B
Maud Type X
Raptor
Raptor mk2
Behemoth XC
+almost all NPC cappies
So, it's RP wise to give raptor with integrated cargo scanner for Corvus or maybe Axia, but Axia doesn't have station in gray. All other minor factions don't need to construct pirate (read anti-convoy) variants of ships..
No pirren, you misunderstand. By "exclusive" he doesn't mean "varient", he means a full ship model that only one single faction has at all. The corvult is only availible from Corvus, yes, but it's only a varient of the vulture, which is ubiquitous. Compare to the valk, which you can only get from the Itani. All valk varients are Itani. Same with the prom and the Serco. Currently, all versions of the raptor come from TPG, making the raptor exclusive. If any other faction sells a variant of the raptor it loses the exclusivity.
Nothing can prevent stealing the "exclusive" ship ;) I understand your point of view, still craptor + cargo scanner maybe useful, because atm there are no ion storms in the game.
> Nothing can prevent stealing the "exclusive" ship ;)
By that logic there should be Corvus Valkyries and Promethei also. Obviously there aren't; therefore that line of argument does nothing to justify your position. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
> I understand your point of view. Still a craptor + cargo scanner maybe useful, because at the moment
> there are no ion storms in the game.
If I recall correctly, the missing ion storms are a bug, and one that the devs are hard at work trying to fix at that. You are trying to argue that the temporary absence of ion storms is sufficient reasoning on its own to mandate the creation of a new variant, and it just doesn't work that way in my books.
Your proposed variant would certainly be useful, especially to you--with or without storms, but I continue to oppose it on the basis that you're trying to make it what it was never intended to be, and what it never should be.
The Raptor is not a pirate ship.
By that logic there should be Corvus Valkyries and Promethei also. Obviously there aren't; therefore that line of argument does nothing to justify your position. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
> I understand your point of view. Still a craptor + cargo scanner maybe useful, because at the moment
> there are no ion storms in the game.
If I recall correctly, the missing ion storms are a bug, and one that the devs are hard at work trying to fix at that. You are trying to argue that the temporary absence of ion storms is sufficient reasoning on its own to mandate the creation of a new variant, and it just doesn't work that way in my books.
Your proposed variant would certainly be useful, especially to you--with or without storms, but I continue to oppose it on the basis that you're trying to make it what it was never intended to be, and what it never should be.
The Raptor is not a pirate ship.
The Raptor is not a pirate ship.
Raptor is not a combat ship, because even for ion storms it's more reasonable to use vult mk3+storm extender or fight without extender at all.
For PvP it also has limited usage, because low combat speed and huge size makes it almost impossible to avoid flares and high velocity energy weapon.
Raptor is not a combat ship, because even for ion storms it's more reasonable to use vult mk3+storm extender or fight without extender at all.
For PvP it also has limited usage, because low combat speed and huge size makes it almost impossible to avoid flares and high velocity energy weapon.
The Raptor Mk2 is a good interceptor. It's got a very low mass to thrust ratio: (13kg/N). That combined with the storm radar makes it great for chasing down convoy ships, even through ion storms.
Before storms broke I used to use them pretty often for chasing down the CtC transports.
+1 to an improved Raptor variant, but Corvus does have plenty of faction-specific ships, and the specs Pirren posted here don't really improve on anything.
Edit: corrected units.
Before storms broke I used to use them pretty often for chasing down the CtC transports.
+1 to an improved Raptor variant, but Corvus does have plenty of faction-specific ships, and the specs Pirren posted here don't really improve on anything.
Edit: corrected units.
Corvus should not be a large shiyard, per canon... Also there are other factions in gray that could be less demanding on local standing to provide ship variants. I know rats prefer to be Corvus-bound, and engine leads them there, but if you plan on more variants, give it to more related factions.
Like, XX and Ineubis already produces the Light/Heavy Storm Radar Extenders, so if someone would produce Raptors variants, I would bet in Ineubis.
The major proposed change was changing the storm scanner with cargo scanner, so why not add both?
Make "Ineubis Raptor" variant have both cargo scanner and "light" storm extender, and even more cargo room... Inebis miniaturization.
going OT: The cargo spoofers/blockers also should be produced only by XX/Ineubis. The cargo scanners should be TPG, XX and Corvus.
Like, XX and Ineubis already produces the Light/Heavy Storm Radar Extenders, so if someone would produce Raptors variants, I would bet in Ineubis.
The major proposed change was changing the storm scanner with cargo scanner, so why not add both?
Make "Ineubis Raptor" variant have both cargo scanner and "light" storm extender, and even more cargo room... Inebis miniaturization.
going OT: The cargo spoofers/blockers also should be produced only by XX/Ineubis. The cargo scanners should be TPG, XX and Corvus.
The Raptor Mk2 is a good interceptor. It's got a very high turbo thrust to mass ratio: (13N/kg). That combined with the storm radar makes it great for chasing down convoy ships, even through ion storms.
You won't earn anything shooting random stuff in ion storm, especially with 8 cargo. Or you will return to ionstorm full of enemies with moth? )) To chase down anything, you need to know what's inside, good luck in chasing aq ore voy. For pirates it's better to have cargo scanner equipped than ion-storm radar extender.
What about TPG, they may have a raptor with cargo scanner.. to search for contraband ;)
You won't earn anything shooting random stuff in ion storm, especially with 8 cargo. Or you will return to ionstorm full of enemies with moth? )) To chase down anything, you need to know what's inside, good luck in chasing aq ore voy. For pirates it's better to have cargo scanner equipped than ion-storm radar extender.
What about TPG, they may have a raptor with cargo scanner.. to search for contraband ;)
Correction: low mass to thrust ratio: (13kg/N)
Not everyone is chasing transports for their cargo, Pirren. Certainly not all of us are acting alone either.
Not everyone is chasing transports for their cargo, Pirren. Certainly not all of us are acting alone either.
1.
The major proposed change was changing the storm scanner with cargo scanner, so why not add both?
Make "Ineubis Raptor" variant have both cargo scanner and "light" storm extender, and even more cargo room... Inebis miniaturization.
2.
Certainly not all of us are acting alone either.
We can try to unite these.. I think about raptor as support class ship for group combat in ion storms.
That's utopia, still here's the suggested vessel:
Ineubis Raptor
Price: 87,500
10/-/-/-/-
Armor: 7,900
Cargo: 2
Ports: 2s
Mass: 3,900 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 200 N
Turbo thrusts: 300 N
Speed: 55 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220 m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 54/s
+ Ion storm radar extender
+ Integrated Shared Ion storm radar
+ Cargo scanner
The major proposed change was changing the storm scanner with cargo scanner, so why not add both?
Make "Ineubis Raptor" variant have both cargo scanner and "light" storm extender, and even more cargo room... Inebis miniaturization.
2.
Certainly not all of us are acting alone either.
We can try to unite these.. I think about raptor as support class ship for group combat in ion storms.
That's utopia, still here's the suggested vessel:
Ineubis Raptor
Price: 87,500
10/-/-/-/-
Armor: 7,900
Cargo: 2
Ports: 2s
Mass: 3,900 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 200 N
Turbo thrusts: 300 N
Speed: 55 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220 m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 54/s
+ Ion storm radar extender
+ Integrated Shared Ion storm radar
+ Cargo scanner
This is almost exactly the AWACS variation that I proposed long ago...
But fix the "Integrated Shared Ion storm radar" with "Shared Group Radar", i.e., anyone grouped with Awacs receive radar data (and send too).
And complete it with an addon scanner!
But fix the "Integrated Shared Ion storm radar" with "Shared Group Radar", i.e., anyone grouped with Awacs receive radar data (and send too).
And complete it with an addon scanner!
Ok, then this beast needs some love and high price. Any more comments/suggestions?
Ineubis Raptor
Price: 127,500
10/-/-/-/-
Armor: 7,900
Cargo: 2
Ports: 2s
Mass: 3,900 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 200 N
Turbo thrusts: 300 N
Speed: 55 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 55/s
+ Small ion storm radar extender
+ Shared Group Radar Extender
+ Addon Scanner
+ Cargo scanner
Ineubis Raptor
Price: 127,500
10/-/-/-/-
Armor: 7,900
Cargo: 2
Ports: 2s
Mass: 3,900 kg
Length: 17 m
Thrusts: 200 N
Turbo thrusts: 300 N
Speed: 55 m/s
Max turbo speed: 220m/s
Spin torque: 8.5 Nm
Energy drain: 55/s
+ Small ion storm radar extender
+ Shared Group Radar Extender
+ Addon Scanner
+ Cargo scanner
The biggest handicaps the Raptor has in combat is the slow strafe speed and the large profile. There's nothing that can be done about the profile without redoing the model, but that strafe speed puts it at a disadvantage even against NPCs.
Aye - until the strafe issue is fixed the rest is pointless. It will still be a craptor.
A 2 large port version from corvus with a hefty strafing boost would be a welcome addition.
A 2 large port version from corvus with a hefty strafing boost would be a welcome addition.
Maybe instead of making it the perfect combat ship, I guess we should aim it in being the perfect Surveillance/Support/Eletronics ship... like an AWACS does not need combat skills...
I vote for a new version with all eletronics addons, and the group extender, as above, keeping other stats as they are, a bad fighter! This is a niche ship... like these:
and 
They are perfect fit for battlefield surveillance, border guard/patrol, scout, and in grayspace, operating in a hunter party / wing... rarely alone.
We need more specialized ships in VO, not better generic fighters...
I vote for a new version with all eletronics addons, and the group extender, as above, keeping other stats as they are, a bad fighter! This is a niche ship... like these:
and They are perfect fit for battlefield surveillance, border guard/patrol, scout, and in grayspace, operating in a hunter party / wing... rarely alone.
We need more specialized ships in VO, not better generic fighters...
The raptor was intended to be a heavy fighter kinda like a prom without the cargo space
> The Raptor was intended to be a heavy fighter, kinda like a Prometheus without the cargo space.
Yeah. The integrated storm sensor suite was only added later to compensate for the fact that it, well, kinda sucks at its intended role. It's more of a consolation prize to compensate for its mediocrity than the heart and soul of the design.
Besides, if we were to have a true AWACS-style design, I'd expect it to be bigger; just look at how the one in the picture Alloh posted compares to the fighters escorting it.
Yeah. The integrated storm sensor suite was only added later to compensate for the fact that it, well, kinda sucks at its intended role. It's more of a consolation prize to compensate for its mediocrity than the heart and soul of the design.
Besides, if we were to have a true AWACS-style design, I'd expect it to be bigger; just look at how the one in the picture Alloh posted compares to the fighters escorting it.