now i should tell everyone that the hog is my favorate ship (mainly because i think it looks cool). but i finde that it is a bit under powered. I don't mean that it is too week but literaly it's engin doesn't handle it's mass and it's weapon mass as well as i think it should. now obviously the easiest thing i could sugest is a mass/thrust tweek to make it more like all the other ships that have been inpruved. I however (being rather excebtric) would rather see something entirely diferent.

Based on the description and the stats of the current hog variants i get the impression that the Hog is supposed to be a space superiority fighter, that is rigged to be able to carry weapons larger than any other fighter it's size. To me this means that the hog should perform like a midweght fighter if loaded with light weapons, and like a heavy fighter if loaded hevily. Right now it handles like a heavy ship with any load that i have tried.

I recomend that all hogs have 2000 kg less mass and 45 N less thrust. This will make the Hog TD manuver better than a Centuran when empty, but whe loaded with a Neut 2 and a GT it will manuver just bairly better than it does now. And with just the Neut it will manuver a bit better than a Vult MK4 with 2 neut 2s. This represents the idea that the Hog is esentaly a largish light fighter that can be overloaded with weaponry, to make it resemble a tiny bomber.

The hogs other than the TD would receve similar benafits but the exact scale would be a litle different. All and all i think a change like this would give the hog a place in this Prom/Rev C filled universe of ours.

I usually stay away from these ship ballance issues, but I will definately agree with Lord Q on this one.

Although I don't think it should outfly a vult or a rev c, but it should come close to outmaneuvering a prom at least.

I don't agree that all ships should be balanced, but that ships should fill the role they've been designed for. A light fighter should have maneuverability and speed, while an assault class should have armor and less maneuverability, with the mediums having some with armor and some with speed.

If everything is "balanced" it would just be boring. It's fine if the prom can whoop almost everything out there, and it's fine that the wraith bogs, but each faction should have an attainable and somewhat uber ship class. Max out the Rev C (or Marauder), the Prom and the Valk and go have some fun with them. All I see anymore are Rev C's everywhere.

Uh... it's a good idea, and being a Hog guy, I like it, but it's never gonna be that drastic a change.

http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/9877

well i generaly like to avoid the ship balancing arguments to, and for the most part i think things are prety balanced as they are.

everman7,
i agree with prety much everything you said, but i think that curently the hog doesn't fufill it's perpus. That is, it is a light fighter that can be loaded to the gills with weaponry, however it does this at a signifigant losse of engin efficency. When loaded with a GT, and neut 2, it is under powered, but when empty it handles similarly to a loaded base model Cent. and in the intermediat with one neut2 it is similar in manuverability to a Vult that is fully loaded with neut2s. Keep in minde that all this was done based on the Teratouial defender, which as far as i know is the most combat capable version of the hog curently in game.

honistly i understand if the devs don't want to experament when everything is just finaly stabalising, and it's a shame i didn't think of this during the massive rebalance wave, but i think it is worth concidering

good suggestions, the warthog needs some lovin.

I fly the warthog every now and then but only the TD, everything else is worthless IMO. But I'm sure there are some die hards out there that will disagree.

But…

As far as the whole Everyone flys RevC's/Proms because of ship balancing is not true. I have seen more ship types being flown since the devs introduced the Frigate War in B8 then any time previous since I started playing. I personally, still fly the RevC becasue it is a good light fighter, and it's the only good one I can get with my current faction standings. I like flying light fighters. If I wanted to switch it up a bit I'd probably fly a Axia Wraith, UIT TD, Tung Agresso, Orion Convoy Hornet, or even spend a half hour and get the Vulturious, but I don't. I like my RevC. It's not because the other ships suck though, I just like the cent look and feel.

I'm a 'Hog man, too. I see it as a fast-attack gunship. I think the thrust should be increased by 50N or so and the turning increased by 0.5 or so. I also think the small port should be replaced with a large port and force the player to load his ship out wisely so that the extra thrust doesn't go to waste.

two large would be nice, but then it would fall under the heavy ships catagory. Perhaps a "medium" sized weapons port, and then throw in some other style ports as well while your at it. Devs?!!

blacksabre584,

i disagree, increasing the thrust just makes the hog more like the existing heavy ships.

based on the description the hog is suposed to fill the gap between light fighters, and heavier attack ships. it only has 1 L port because it is suposed to still be more of a light ship than a heavy ship.

that is why i recomended decreasing both the thrust and mass