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instead of converting small port hounds back to lports,how about we just add an lport variant and have an s port hound,AND an lport hound.
in response to https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/35507/reply
in response to https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/35507/reply
Or just use a hog 2? Why all this debate over hound? The combo of small blasters and sunflares is beast on the hound.
-1. Hog 2 is good enough
-1 for the umpteenth time.
We got rid of it in part because of people spamming swarms everywhere and then running away.
If ya wanna use heavy stuff the grab a hog like the rest of us.
We got rid of it in part because of people spamming swarms everywhere and then running away.
If ya wanna use heavy stuff the grab a hog like the rest of us.
i don't think you see through my perspective;i'm not taking sides here, rather offering a solution to an ongoing issue i'm tired of hearing about.
-1
+1 but make it for the Cammo version only
Ya, I wasn't very happy when the devs removed the L port from the Greyhound. Progress my ass, but whatever.
Ya, I wasn't very happy when the devs removed the L port from the Greyhound. Progress my ass, but whatever.
Many of us argued in favor of the L-port removal explicitly on the condition that a more pirate-exclusive flavor of small port megaposi be added to the game. Instead, we got the current clusterfuck of a situation. Typical VO - one step forwards a few years behind schedule, three steps backwards within a month, then "Soon" for any fix on that backpedaling.
Many of us argued in favor of the L-port removal explicitly on the condition that a more pirate-exclusive flavor of small port megaposi be added to the game. Instead, we got the current clusterfuck of a situation. Typical VO - one step forwards a few years behind schedule, three steps backwards within a month, then "Soon" for any fix on that backpedaling.
Everything either of you say isn't relative or helpful to this suggestion. If the L port was removed it was for good reason. What's done is done so stop crying over it
Yeah...the guy who suggested the Hound in the first place has nothing relative or helpful to say re: its balance history.
What Inc puts into/takes out of the game is 100% his call, but there were a host of reasons why certain of us advocated for the L-port removal as a balance change. None of them were based on a need to nerf the Hound's ability to work as a high efficiency, all energy pursuit ship. Indeed, keeping it from being a swarm-spam platform while retaining its energy pursuit abilities was the main issue. Ultimately, it got hit with a lazy development approach that couldn't fix the swarm spam without also fucking up its ability to deliver DPS while chasing at turbo speeds.
[Edited to comply with Be Nice rules regarding Suggestions -W]
What Inc puts into/takes out of the game is 100% his call, but there were a host of reasons why certain of us advocated for the L-port removal as a balance change. None of them were based on a need to nerf the Hound's ability to work as a high efficiency, all energy pursuit ship. Indeed, keeping it from being a swarm-spam platform while retaining its energy pursuit abilities was the main issue. Ultimately, it got hit with a lazy development approach that couldn't fix the swarm spam without also fucking up its ability to deliver DPS while chasing at turbo speeds.
[Edited to comply with Be Nice rules regarding Suggestions -W]
For 100k Im sure Inc would be happy to spend the dev time needed for a more elegant solution.....
It doesn't cost 100k to create a small-port mega-posi.
For 100k Im sure ...
Haha, you're making me think of the failed kickstarter, back when I was young and dumb enough to toss 10k at VO. But like Pizza says, even that tenth of what you mention was going to finance a lot more than a one-off S-port blaster for miscreants with tri-kos standing.
Haha, you're making me think of the failed kickstarter, back when I was young and dumb enough to toss 10k at VO. But like Pizza says, even that tenth of what you mention was going to finance a lot more than a one-off S-port blaster for miscreants with tri-kos standing.
Indeed, keeping it from being a swarm-spam platform while retaining its energy pursuit abilities was the main issue. Ultimately, it got hit with a lazy development approach that couldn't fix the swarm spam without also fucking up its ability to deliver DPS while chasing at turbo speeds.
I was the one who suggested tweaking other addons to work on the small port Hound, back in the original thread that asked for this nerf to happen. Here is my response suggesting smaller port variants of desired weapons (without actually being specific about which weapons, because I wasn't sure).
Of course, this Hound-nerf was done because of an epic amount of complaining, ticket-writing, and general melodramatic wrangling, about people swarming from Hounds. Unfortunately, we discovered that changing the properties of ports was actually really complicated for anyone who had existing ships (in the first attempt, it crashed the game client), and time-consuming to change because of database schema choices that were made in the distant past.
Thus, it wasn't until six months later that I was finally able to announce the port-change.
You will note that Lecter never comments on the lack of a small-port megaposi anywhere after the change was made. For my part, after half a year of GDC / E3 and 1000 other distractions, I had probably simply forgotten about any weapon tradeoff discussion, and/or wasn't sure which weapon would be appropriate, and if I had been asked at the time.. I probably would have said that should be a debate for its own thread.
However, if such a thread about small-port megaposis exist, I haven't been able to find it in my searching? Which then begs the question about who, exactly, has been "lazy" here?
If you want something in the game to change, you need to Suggest something specific (generally, in its own thread), and garner community support for the idea. Then, if I inevitably "ignore" it for a long period of time (probably unavoidably distracted and simply not-reading it), and you think it's really critically important, then you need to occasionally bump or revive the discussion. Because I do eventually get back to reading Suggestions, after whatever distracting fire-situation(s) are finally resolved.
But, I have no remaining patience with self-righteous embittered whining, especially on Suggestions.
I was the one who suggested tweaking other addons to work on the small port Hound, back in the original thread that asked for this nerf to happen. Here is my response suggesting smaller port variants of desired weapons (without actually being specific about which weapons, because I wasn't sure).
Of course, this Hound-nerf was done because of an epic amount of complaining, ticket-writing, and general melodramatic wrangling, about people swarming from Hounds. Unfortunately, we discovered that changing the properties of ports was actually really complicated for anyone who had existing ships (in the first attempt, it crashed the game client), and time-consuming to change because of database schema choices that were made in the distant past.
Thus, it wasn't until six months later that I was finally able to announce the port-change.
You will note that Lecter never comments on the lack of a small-port megaposi anywhere after the change was made. For my part, after half a year of GDC / E3 and 1000 other distractions, I had probably simply forgotten about any weapon tradeoff discussion, and/or wasn't sure which weapon would be appropriate, and if I had been asked at the time.. I probably would have said that should be a debate for its own thread.
However, if such a thread about small-port megaposis exist, I haven't been able to find it in my searching? Which then begs the question about who, exactly, has been "lazy" here?
If you want something in the game to change, you need to Suggest something specific (generally, in its own thread), and garner community support for the idea. Then, if I inevitably "ignore" it for a long period of time (probably unavoidably distracted and simply not-reading it), and you think it's really critically important, then you need to occasionally bump or revive the discussion. Because I do eventually get back to reading Suggestions, after whatever distracting fire-situation(s) are finally resolved.
But, I have no remaining patience with self-righteous embittered whining, especially on Suggestions.
I don’t know if you can make a small port mega Posi without accidentally bidding a ton of ships in the process (although that may not be such a bad thing)
Meant to say “buffing” apparently as one gets older the ability to type on a phone goes down.
Meant to say “buffing” apparently as one gets older the ability to type on a phone goes down.
"bidding" a ton of ships? What?
I'm assuming you're talking about a balance issue, with other ships. We do have grid power as an option, and it's theoretically possible that the Hound could just include a fixed mega posi (no port, not removable).. although I'm not sure how involved this would be to actually accomplish.
(It could be simple, or it could be pretty ugly. "Integrated" weapons are obviously not a common case, and they're a bit different from radar extenders and stuff, since they need to be grouped).
In any event, that discussion is probably best suited for a thread specifically about making a small-port mega posi, which isn't really this topic at all.
I'm assuming you're talking about a balance issue, with other ships. We do have grid power as an option, and it's theoretically possible that the Hound could just include a fixed mega posi (no port, not removable).. although I'm not sure how involved this would be to actually accomplish.
(It could be simple, or it could be pretty ugly. "Integrated" weapons are obviously not a common case, and they're a bit different from radar extenders and stuff, since they need to be grouped).
In any event, that discussion is probably best suited for a thread specifically about making a small-port mega posi, which isn't really this topic at all.
So from your 2016 statement quoted below, you've identified the problem here as being...players not being specific enough in telling you what needed to be converted into an S-port variant?
For instance, what if the L-port was made into a S-port, and whatever particular addon was intended for the L-port maybe had a nerfed S-port variant of it created?
Even though this, on the same page, exists:
An S-port version of the Mega Posi would be an excellent addition for a Pirate alignment if one is ever created. https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/30963#371766
You will note that Lecter never comments on the lack of a small-port megaposi anywhere after the change was made.
My sincere apologies, I had no idea the level of spoon-feeding required and you're 100% correct about tha...no, wait...I did, and I posted it shortly after you announced the Hound nerf:
Corvus Ultra Positron Blaster: License: 8/8/-/-/- & +950 Corvus & -900 each Itani, Serco, UIT
Damage: 1000
Velocity: 195m/s
Energy: 12/blast
Delay: 0.3s
Grid Usage: 18
Mass: 500 kg
Volume as cargo: 1 cu
Good Targeting
Sold: Odia M-14
Price: 50,000
Small port
Hound-focused Mega Posi substitute
https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/31702#380002
If you want something in the game to change, you need to Suggest something specific (generally, in its own thread), and garner community support for the idea. Then, if I inevitably "ignore" it for a long period of time (probably unavoidably distracted and simply not-reading it), and you think it's really critically important, then you need to occasionally bump or revive the discussion. Because I do eventually get back to reading Suggestions, after whatever distracting fire-situation(s) are finally resolved.
But, I have no remaining patience with self-righteous embittered whining, especially on Suggestions.
I get you're all busy as Hell largely keeping this game alive for as long as you have, and I've been pretty much checked out of VO since teleporting mobile busses became a significant in-game population...but I have only one thing to say to that tone in light of the above, and I want to be crystal clear about it:
Players requested a change, explained the basis for it as being preventing use of an energy interceptor as a bomber, you said how about getting to the same place by having it be S-port with an S-port variant?, we said great, S-port megaposi pls!, gave you a detailed post about what that'd look like right after the change was actually implemented...and now pointing out the fact half-assing your own goddamn approach to the requested change was lazy (however understandable things getting lost in two years of shuffle may be, it was lazy) is self-righteous embittered whining?
If that's your approach to this situation, I say go [love -W] yourself. I will not darken your game, your forums, or Guild Software's balance sheet with my presence any further. Good luck to you guys - parts of the last 13 years have been a lot of fun.
For instance, what if the L-port was made into a S-port, and whatever particular addon was intended for the L-port maybe had a nerfed S-port variant of it created?
Even though this, on the same page, exists:
An S-port version of the Mega Posi would be an excellent addition for a Pirate alignment if one is ever created. https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/30963#371766
You will note that Lecter never comments on the lack of a small-port megaposi anywhere after the change was made.
My sincere apologies, I had no idea the level of spoon-feeding required and you're 100% correct about tha...no, wait...I did, and I posted it shortly after you announced the Hound nerf:
Corvus Ultra Positron Blaster: License: 8/8/-/-/- & +950 Corvus & -900 each Itani, Serco, UIT
Damage: 1000
Velocity: 195m/s
Energy: 12/blast
Delay: 0.3s
Grid Usage: 18
Mass: 500 kg
Volume as cargo: 1 cu
Good Targeting
Sold: Odia M-14
Price: 50,000
Small port
Hound-focused Mega Posi substitute
https://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/31702#380002
If you want something in the game to change, you need to Suggest something specific (generally, in its own thread), and garner community support for the idea. Then, if I inevitably "ignore" it for a long period of time (probably unavoidably distracted and simply not-reading it), and you think it's really critically important, then you need to occasionally bump or revive the discussion. Because I do eventually get back to reading Suggestions, after whatever distracting fire-situation(s) are finally resolved.
But, I have no remaining patience with self-righteous embittered whining, especially on Suggestions.
I get you're all busy as Hell largely keeping this game alive for as long as you have, and I've been pretty much checked out of VO since teleporting mobile busses became a significant in-game population...but I have only one thing to say to that tone in light of the above, and I want to be crystal clear about it:
Players requested a change, explained the basis for it as being preventing use of an energy interceptor as a bomber, you said how about getting to the same place by having it be S-port with an S-port variant?, we said great, S-port megaposi pls!, gave you a detailed post about what that'd look like right after the change was actually implemented...and now pointing out the fact half-assing your own goddamn approach to the requested change was lazy (however understandable things getting lost in two years of shuffle may be, it was lazy) is self-righteous embittered whining?
If that's your approach to this situation, I say go [love -W] yourself. I will not darken your game, your forums, or Guild Software's balance sheet with my presence any further. Good luck to you guys - parts of the last 13 years have been a lot of fun.
However, if such a thread about small-port megaposis exist, I haven't been able to find it in my searching? Which then begs the question about who, exactly, has been "lazy" here?
Not exactly a small port, but a specific suggestion that has not been commented on by a dev is here.
Not exactly a small port, but a specific suggestion that has not been commented on by a dev is here.