Player A is attacked by player B at a station. Player B is set to KOS, SF chases. Player C assists both Player A and the SF by shooting at Player B. Player C is set to KOS, the SF attacks Player C.

Irrespective of the NFZ, a player assisting the SF should not be set to KOS.

This is either a bug, or senseless.

Either way, illogical, kindly fix it.

If Player C Attacks within the NFZ, he is just as guilty as Player B.
If Player C attacks the SF (even accidentally), he is also a target.

You can substitute Player C with Player A and it still applies.

TBH, let the SF handle things. calmly and quickly go about your business.

I agree it makes no sense. +1 Assisting strike force should not result in a KOS.

+1

It is the no fire zone. Don't fire unless you have been fired upon. I was minding my own business in the NFZ when Ecka shot me out off the blue. Just because I'm KOS, doesn't give anyone else the right to shoot me all willy nilly. Unless I shoot you first. As Pizzasgood mentioned a few years back, the NFZ is there to protect the station, not the pilots.

Sounds like it's working as intended.

-1

Player C should mind his own business.

Are you stupid? You are not the police. No firing means no firing, you are not above the law.

I still like this suggestion I made a while back. It provides a risky skill-based version of what Ecka's asking for while also penalizing people who try the whole "shoot at but intentionally miss a newbie to scare them into shooting back in the NFZ" scam. Some of the details might need tweaking though; I think the hero determination criteria I proposed were probably too strict.

Westacular, you were not minding your own business. You had shot a member of TGFT, thats why you were KOS.

It is my business to defend members of my guild where possible.

The mechanism as it stands means that I am effectively penalised for co-operative gameplay.

Do you want a multi player game or not ?

No. I'm KOS because I'm -1000 Orion (i'm also -1000 Serco, Itani, UIT, TPG, and Biocom). Shooting your guild member had nothing to do with my standing. Also, I would like to point out, you never hit me. Your stray shot hit a Strike Force. lulz

What I don't understand is why you tried to defend a moth by shooting me? If you had grabbed rep guns and had repped him, he would have had a better chance of surviving. He was flying a standard moth which have plenty of armor. Fully repping him would have made things far more difficult for me. Instead you chose to go after me which sealed BG's fate.

+1 Despite Knaufs attempt to suggest that he does not fire first in NFZs it his solidly his thing. As of late he's been on plaguing Latos system in attempts to flatly deny access to all but his guild, and extended guildmates. Were it not for a somewhat recent update to NFZ hostile fire penalties, I'd accept his tactics as within acceptable gameplay. His suggestion that one firing in self defense in NFZs should be penalized for hitting strike force is ludicrous. It suggests that one cannot defend themselves in the NFZ and must roll over and die before any aggressor. By extension, he suggests one cannot aid in self defense. Bwah! So tired of the same habitual offenders. It was SWA in EDIT turrets firing upon newbs, inciting them to fire on EDIT, thereby tanking newb standings.

F-it. I'm going to petition my block commander for some turrets at stations. Lol.

My suggestion to Ecka was that he use rep guns instead of pew pew guns in the NFZ. He is a supposed peaceful trader after all. I fired first upon BG, and Ecka fired first upon me. (In the No Fire Zone). His stray shot hit an innocent strike force that was only doing it's job.

If you came across a shootout at a bank between cops and robbers, and you were just a Joe Blow citizen, and you started to "aid" the cops by shooting at the robbers, don't you think the cops would be pissed at you? And if your stray shot hit the cops, don't you think they would start shooting at you? Use a little common sense. Move along and let the authorities do their job

Just like a perpetrator to blame the victims.

If the "victims" start shooting the police and innocent bystanders, they have a committed a crime, and have moved into the perpetrator category.

Honestly, I'm impartial to this, probably because since I'm Bill gates, I'm technically the issue causer:) if a system like this was implemented, it couldn't be as cut-and-dry as you suggest - you shouldn't shoot in the NFZ. If someone does that, leave them to their fate, unless you get shot. However, perhaps reduce the penalty for opening fire in an NFZ if you are 'person C'. But I don't know.... It's a messy system to change, and it not going to be easy to reassess, if at all.

Anyway, into topic. I could see a system like this being abused quickly. Scare-spam a trader, get a mob of pirates to attack trader, no repercussions for pirates.

AND FOR EVERYONE - I do not often fight back, I just don't have the reflex. I expect an attacker to kill me, or I will be unhappy (I mean, finish your job man!) And will only open fire with crappy gats to get your attention. Sure, I've basically put out that I'm a free kill, but if I really need to move goods, you won't see me around.

Westacular, I hit you. Really, don't try and be clever. It doesn't suit you .

I was at 74% after a SF wtd flared and gatted me. That was before you started chasing me. When you left the sector as hate I was still at 74%.

quod erat demonstrandum

I didn't notice this thread was in bugs. This is not a bug. It may be a design choice that you find illogical, but it is behaving as designed, so it's not a bug. This should be in suggestions.

why not a person at a station and their faction is POS and another player goes there but is KOS maybe the POS can kill that KOS player? but ya if you hit a sf ya boned so its a gamble, because they are pillar of society there and that sounds like they have a right to shoot a kill on sight player to me, but as danstr said this we probably get abused heavy, just throwing a few thoughts out there and hoping it land in the bucket.

anyway i say -1 for now..unless they can make sure that that loop hole pirates and greifers (or just a murder like kanuf) could make goes away with another idea.

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