So what do we do with this one? Nerf the Type X's cargo to 30 and give the Type B 38? I don't know. Any ideas?

The B type is more similar to "III" variant than the X variant, while worst than both!

Increase its turbo trust, reduce its spin torque, retro-fit one Lport where is now its turret, and rename it "Farting Rabbit" or "lone ranger".

2) TPG Atlas B is called "Increased Hold" for nothing, since it carries 36 cu, while "X - Elite" one holds 38cu. So lighten the X to 36 and increase B to 40! (Justified with turret removal)

Atlas (Changed)
Mk III Light Armored # B Increased Hold # X elite
lice -/-/-/4/- # 1/-/1/4/- # 1/-/1/4/-
armo 8400 # 8200 # 8500
stor 34 cu # 36>40cu # 38>36cu
port 1S 1L # 1s1L>1s 1+1L # 1S 1L
Mass 9500 kg # 9600>9350 kg # 9199 kg
Leng 14 m # 14 m # 14 m
Thru 350 N # 340>370 N # 375 N
TrTh 400 N # 390>420 N # 475 N
Spin 10.0 N # 10.0>9.5 N # 12.0 N
Spee 65 m/s # 65 m/s # 65 m/s
MxSp 200 m/s # 200 m/s # 210 m/s
Drai 50/s # 50/s # 50/s

Note that stern Lport does not provide any aiming at all, so it is ideal for mines and guided missiles only, or mining beam.

Since we cannot use our own turrets, make that slot something usable!

omg and you know what??? the atlas mk1 is now worthless and the hog3 and 4 are worthless cause the 2 has infiboost and you can just get a WTD and zomg almost all the prom/valks/vultures/centurions are ALL USELESS cause no one flys anything other then then the most popular model. what are we going to do!?!???!

B Variant is one of those 'special' ones, peytros; you need to be in pretty good TPG standing to get it.

Thing is, the X Variant becomes available at the exact same time, and is superior in every respect. Its not even useful as a 'stepping stone' in the general ship progression--its beyond useless.

Gotta go with vIsitor here: each requires the exact same levels and TPG standing, and the X is equal to or better than the B in every single way. More armor, more cargo, less mass, more thrust, more turbo speed, same everything else.

B-Type Increased Hold TPG 650 1/-/1/4/- 8200 36 1S, 1L 9600 kg sm=n 14 m sm=n 340 N sm=n 390 N sm=n 65 m/s sm=n 10.0 Nm sm=n 200 m/s sm=n 50/s sm=n

X-Type Elite TPG 650 1/-/1/4/- 8500 38 1S, 1L 9200 kg sm=n 14m sm=n 375 N sm=n 475 N sm=n 65 m/s sm=n 12.0 Nm sm=n 210 m/s sm=n 50/s sm=n

If one were searching for a way to make the B relevant, I'd suggest cutting the X's armor to 7500 and making the B's armor 8500, while swapping their turbo speeds.

It's the increased hold variant, I say just cut Atlas X cargo to 32 and up Atlas B cargo to 40. Done and done.

and why not a stern Lport? Any problem in add a port where rear turret is?

We could put mines and guided missiles to use it, radar extenders, so on. Only aiming guns would be useless...

Only aiming guns would be useless...

As opposed to those non-aiming guns.

Make the B-Type the "Blockade runner" variant. Keep it's cargo, mass, armor, and weapons the same, and give it the following buffs:

225m/s (up from 200m/s, X-Type: 210m/s)
57/s drain (up from 50/s drain, X-Type: 50/s)
500 N turbo thrust (up from 390 N, X-Type: 475 N)
55m/s max non-turbo speed (down from 65m/s, X-Type: 65m/s)
320 N normal thrust (down from 340 N X-Type: 375 N)
9.5 Nm spin torque (down from 10 Nm, X-Type: 12 Nm)

The idea here is that the Type B would be very good at carrying cargo in a straight line over short distances, however, it wouldn't be good for really anything else. Good for blockade running, bad for long-distance running, horrid for combat.

It'd also be a sitting duck while it recharges to go through the WH, but you gotta pay some kinda price for speed that good.

And for a handling comparison: the non-turbo handling of the proposed B-Type would be akin to that of the MKI basic Atlas.

It'd also be a sitting duck while it recharges to go through the WH

You don't really have any sort of conception of what a blockade is in VO, do you? That explains a lot about [VPR], actually.

It'd need fighter cover (or a damned good gunner) for sure if it were a true WH blockade. But that's part of the fun mate.

You guys were looking for a unique ship-type, and I gave you a balanced one. Stop complaining.

This isn't a unique ship in any way, it's just an increased hold variant. You guys are thinking much too hard about this, just increase the damned thing's hold to 40 and bump the Atlas X down to 32 or 34 or something.

If you want a new ship, think up a new ship.

If you want a new ship, think up a new ship.

I just did :p.

However, the Type B is decently useless as-is. Why not give it some love?

It will be less useless if it fulfills it's name-promised role: an Atlas with more cargo space. This is what this suggestion is about, read the OP.

yarr. I'm hijacking this thread. But if you insist I can go make a new one...

I'm pretty sure the Atlas X already fulfills the "blockade-running" role so I don't think you would need to make a new one, but be my guest.

I find the Atlas X to be a more well-rounded ship than the one I'm proposing. It's a decent blockade runner, and does a damned good job in combat as well. I'm honestly not too invested in this guy; I just think it'd be interesting. I mean... a trade ship that can sprint? Sounds like fun to me.

Another option is just to remove it from the game. If not then I agree with what Chaakin said:

"You guys are thinking much too hard about this, just increase the damned thing's hold to 40 and bump the Atlas X down to 32 or 34 or something.

If you want a new ship, think up a new ship."

+1 to Chaak
Give the X 36 cargo, the B 40 cargo.

-1 to Alloh.
An atlas with two l-ports... are you insane?

+1 to Atice.
Give XX an Atlas with those stats. They need a ship.

not insane, but thinking out of box.

Why all weapon slots should be facing forward?
Why a turret port when we can't use turrets?

Why not replace rear turret with an L-port?

If a newbie install a normal gun there, he finds it useless. But can't you notice what a perfect spot to put a mine or a guided missile launcher on a ship created to evade pursuit?

C'mon, open your eyes too. That makes much more sense than an unusable turret!!!