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Here's a situation that occured today:
1. IDV Sola Spawns
2. Dr. Lecter begins destroying turrets on IDV Sola
3. Dr. Lecter recieves no loss in Itani standing
4. Roguelazer destroys Dr. Lecter
5. Roguelazer loses 901 Itani standing
6. Roguelazer is unable to enter IDV Sola and becomes stuck at loading
7. (Expletive)
8. Roguelazer complains on message board
9. Roguelazer gets his standing fixed
10. Dr. Lecter gets his standing "fixed"
1. IDV Sola Spawns
2. Dr. Lecter begins destroying turrets on IDV Sola
3. Dr. Lecter recieves no loss in Itani standing
4. Roguelazer destroys Dr. Lecter
5. Roguelazer loses 901 Itani standing
6. Roguelazer is unable to enter IDV Sola and becomes stuck at loading
7. (Expletive)
8. Roguelazer complains on message board
9. Roguelazer gets his standing fixed
10. Dr. Lecter gets his standing "fixed"
I'm going to change it so stuff works better.
I changed Dr. Lecter's itani faction to +0.
I changed Dr. Lecter's itani faction to +0.
woo for the fixing, but wouldn't it make more sense to fix rogues standing rather than Lector's? I mean, sure, gets the point across, but rather than punishing bad behavior, why not help our the victim?
Edit: oh nevermind. Oups. Carry on. Sorry. I am blind and stupid.
Edit: oh nevermind. Oups. Carry on. Sorry. I am blind and stupid.
Ray,
Just wanted to say that if you guys didn't want us using the faction we'd built up to go after the caps, all it would have taken was a dev or guide saying, "Hey, not ok." I'm not particularly sympathetic to Roguelazer's plight, having lost massive itani standing while chasing itani ctc-ers into Edras L-2 (the route is thus one jump shorter for itani ctc to get under faction protection). However, if you want us not to do that to the cap, I'll obviously stop.
To bitch a little further, please alert people in the future rather than simply nerfing a standing in reply to a post here. I had no clue what happened to my itani standing and merrily went along building it up again and attacking the itani cap, until someone finally mentioned this post in 100.
Anyway, since I'd suggested it before, I'll actually post it now: why not make each turret like an NPC for the purposes of faction loss. If someone attacks it, they get a warning RE faction protection, and they lose it if they destroy the turret in guarded/monitored space. This would prevent most of the attacks on it within nation space, and also not interfere with the current "hail & board" system for those with good faction.
Dr. Lecter
Just wanted to say that if you guys didn't want us using the faction we'd built up to go after the caps, all it would have taken was a dev or guide saying, "Hey, not ok." I'm not particularly sympathetic to Roguelazer's plight, having lost massive itani standing while chasing itani ctc-ers into Edras L-2 (the route is thus one jump shorter for itani ctc to get under faction protection). However, if you want us not to do that to the cap, I'll obviously stop.
To bitch a little further, please alert people in the future rather than simply nerfing a standing in reply to a post here. I had no clue what happened to my itani standing and merrily went along building it up again and attacking the itani cap, until someone finally mentioned this post in 100.
Anyway, since I'd suggested it before, I'll actually post it now: why not make each turret like an NPC for the purposes of faction loss. If someone attacks it, they get a warning RE faction protection, and they lose it if they destroy the turret in guarded/monitored space. This would prevent most of the attacks on it within nation space, and also not interfere with the current "hail & board" system for those with good faction.
Dr. Lecter
I don't agree with wiping out Dr. lecter's standing. What he did might deserve it, but that is a game mechanic issue which he is just abiding by. Sure he is exploiting (bad! go to the bad corner now), but according to this rationale then, all the crack-botters should have their licenses revoked too (among other things.)
Unless of course, he is a repeat offender. Which in that case. KILL =P!
Unless of course, he is a repeat offender. Which in that case. KILL =P!
What? uhuhhh? Now ok, while docked with the Itani cap ship, I behaved, and shot at any UIT/Serco/bots that were attacking the Sola, like an Itani gunner should (I did actually shoot one or two Itani once, just to let them know i wasnt going to kill them, they did keep taunting me) Does this mean if any Serco complain about me shooting them I will be made an Itani? Sheesh... ooh, or Maybe just have my serco standing reset to +0
for a long set of ideas on all the ways that standing and reputation need tweaked.. refer to
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/10089
I tend to agree however that Dr.Lecter's standing should have been left alone.
However Dr. Lecter you also have to realize that there are only so many guides/devs and that they might not have had a chance to catch you ingame to explain it.
Either way, i'm sure ray's fixes will solve the problem.
The easiest way is just to make the turrets count as +800 "nation" characters in thier own right.
http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/3/10089
I tend to agree however that Dr.Lecter's standing should have been left alone.
However Dr. Lecter you also have to realize that there are only so many guides/devs and that they might not have had a chance to catch you ingame to explain it.
Either way, i'm sure ray's fixes will solve the problem.
The easiest way is just to make the turrets count as +800 "nation" characters in thier own right.
I don't agree with wiping out Dr. lecter's standing. What he did might deserve it, but that is a game mechanic issue which he is just abiding by. Sure he is exploiting (bad! go to the bad corner now), but according to this rationale then, all the crack-botters should have their licenses revoked too (among other things.)
Bad analogy. Crackbotting is a victimless crime (unless you count the bots, and maybe the crackbotter himself) whereas in this instance, there was a very clear player victim. Punitive measures are a must if you want to keep any semblance of sanity in the community. If anything, the punishment was too light.
Bad analogy. Crackbotting is a victimless crime (unless you count the bots, and maybe the crackbotter himself) whereas in this instance, there was a very clear player victim. Punitive measures are a must if you want to keep any semblance of sanity in the community. If anything, the punishment was too light.
Again, genka, the punishment was not terribly effective or fair due to lack of notice. I had no clue what caused the faction decrease, and until someone responded to an offhand comment about it in 100, I wasn't planning on altering my cap ship attacking behavior. So, notice after the nerfing was needed for making it an effective deterrent. Notice BEFORE the nerfing would have been nice, but if the general consensus is that my acts were "exploiting," then that doesn't apply. I have since fixed my standing and won't be doing any more turret killing in itani space, so I couldn't care much less about it all. As to my standing needing to be wacked with a harder stick, see my above issues with what was needed to stop what a dev found objectionable. Wacking wasn't needed, notice was... and this way, I got the point and have been able to fix my standing. How did I "need" further/harder nerfing?
The Serious Serco Lovin', Purple People Eatin', Machine...
Dr. Lecter
The Serious Serco Lovin', Purple People Eatin', Machine...
Dr. Lecter
Genka Speaketh:
>Bad analogy. Crackbotting is a victimless crime (unless you count the bots, and maybe the crackbotter himself) whereas in this instance, there was a very clear player victim. Punitive measures are a must if you want to keep any semblance of sanity in the community. If anything, the punishment was too light.
Huh? Dr Lecter's "crime" was to shoot the itani turrets, which are bots (you don't kill the player even if the player is controlling it). Roguelazer got his standing fixed for booming Dr Lecter in itani space, as he should.
Besides, what 'sanity' in the community? We are all insane, especially you =P.
>Bad analogy. Crackbotting is a victimless crime (unless you count the bots, and maybe the crackbotter himself) whereas in this instance, there was a very clear player victim. Punitive measures are a must if you want to keep any semblance of sanity in the community. If anything, the punishment was too light.
Huh? Dr Lecter's "crime" was to shoot the itani turrets, which are bots (you don't kill the player even if the player is controlling it). Roguelazer got his standing fixed for booming Dr Lecter in itani space, as he should.
Besides, what 'sanity' in the community? We are all insane, especially you =P.
genka,
the people not crackbotting are the victims...
anyway what I wanted to say, while we are at it can you please please please make a ctc transport +900 or so with the nation that is sedning it (being xang xi in the case of the serco) making it so that when somebody hits it in xang xi space he actually gets a kos on him and you can pepper him/her in stead of getting the dumb strikeforces on your ass for doing so...
cheers
the people not crackbotting are the victims...
anyway what I wanted to say, while we are at it can you please please please make a ctc transport +900 or so with the nation that is sedning it (being xang xi in the case of the serco) making it so that when somebody hits it in xang xi space he actually gets a kos on him and you can pepper him/her in stead of getting the dumb strikeforces on your ass for doing so...
cheers
why not just make impossbile to hurt a green dot on radar?
like a serco (good standing) could not hurt a serco (good standing)
that will resolve the problem. no more UIT intefering in itani/serco as long as they have a good standing with each side.
like a serco (good standing) could not hurt a serco (good standing)
that will resolve the problem. no more UIT intefering in itani/serco as long as they have a good standing with each side.
The point, Nya, is that a Serco with good Itani standing was attacking the Itani capship and Roguelazer (an itani player) was penalized for defending the capship from the offending Serco.
OOooh. I get it now. You didn't know it was bad.
Just like they didn't know that hopping onto a red char to blow up red mines was bad.
Just like they didn't know that using /setdamage to fly through asteroids was bad.
Just like they didn't know that turboing backwards to get infiniboost with any battery/engine combo was bad.
Just like they didn't know spamming the chat until the server crashed was bad.
Just like they didn't know earning unrealistic amount of money via a bunch of various moneybugs was bad.
Just like they didn't know logging off mid-warp was bad.
Just like they didn't know lag-mining was bad.
Just like they didn't know insta-nuking was bad.
Just like they didn't know that timing out your connection in an enemy sector to gain access to the station in that sector was bad.
What a load of bull. You knew, they knew, I knew.
And if you really do need people to specify every good and bad thing for you, do us all a favor and
a) Sue your parents
b) Check yourself into a jail
Just like they didn't know that hopping onto a red char to blow up red mines was bad.
Just like they didn't know that using /setdamage to fly through asteroids was bad.
Just like they didn't know that turboing backwards to get infiniboost with any battery/engine combo was bad.
Just like they didn't know spamming the chat until the server crashed was bad.
Just like they didn't know earning unrealistic amount of money via a bunch of various moneybugs was bad.
Just like they didn't know logging off mid-warp was bad.
Just like they didn't know lag-mining was bad.
Just like they didn't know insta-nuking was bad.
Just like they didn't know that timing out your connection in an enemy sector to gain access to the station in that sector was bad.
What a load of bull. You knew, they knew, I knew.
And if you really do need people to specify every good and bad thing for you, do us all a favor and
a) Sue your parents
b) Check yourself into a jail
*cough troll cough*
*cough* except not *cough*
heh, speaking of factions... I lost my xang standing like 4 months ago.. i've been -611 ever since.. I killed a protected player.. I deserved the standing loss.. but... I REALLY wanna land on Xang stations again! :(
mod you can delete the post if you want.
mod you can delete the post if you want.
I still think there should be a method a buying back faction standing via some hideously expensive method. Like 300K cr for 100 standing, or something. Maybe 500K cr for 100 standing with Corvus. And for the nations, pay them 300K cr, and then they lower your standing for trying to bribe them, or something.
I blame the schools.
Genka:
"What a load of bull. You knew, they knew, I knew.
And if you really do need people to specify every good and bad thing for you, do us all a favor and
a) Sue your parents
b) Check yourself into a jail"
Yeeeaaahh. I won't get into the clear distinctions between the litany of exploits you've listed and what I was doing. Hopefully, with much work, you'll be able to form a cogent argument some day. Until then, enjoy the trolling... it does keep things amusing :)
Dr. Lecter
"What a load of bull. You knew, they knew, I knew.
And if you really do need people to specify every good and bad thing for you, do us all a favor and
a) Sue your parents
b) Check yourself into a jail"
Yeeeaaahh. I won't get into the clear distinctions between the litany of exploits you've listed and what I was doing. Hopefully, with much work, you'll be able to form a cogent argument some day. Until then, enjoy the trolling... it does keep things amusing :)
Dr. Lecter