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There is a bit of an irritating situation at Edras/Jallik wh lately.
A group of THC guys is exploring forever broken VO faction system. They all have Itani admire and are homed in Jallik.
Whenever they see a newbie or a trader heading for the wh they jump in valks and kill him when he exits to Edras side.
Even worse, they start shooting them on Jallik side during jump so when their tagret jumps into Edras he is already at 5% health.
As they do not kill on Jallik side, their faction standing is still admire or POS.
I think this is very bad for VO.
Newbies get scared and leave.
A group of THC guys is exploring forever broken VO faction system. They all have Itani admire and are homed in Jallik.
Whenever they see a newbie or a trader heading for the wh they jump in valks and kill him when he exits to Edras side.
Even worse, they start shooting them on Jallik side during jump so when their tagret jumps into Edras he is already at 5% health.
As they do not kill on Jallik side, their faction standing is still admire or POS.
I think this is very bad for VO.
Newbies get scared and leave.
This sounds broken indeed, particularly since Itani defenses are on the Edras side of the wormhole.
Unfortunately you've told anyone who cares to exploit this how to do so. The details to any exploit should be kept private as much as possible.
Unfortunately you've told anyone who cares to exploit this how to do so. The details to any exploit should be kept private as much as possible.
The faction system is going to be getting an overhaul soon.
With that said, you must understand that THC fails as a whole. They know this, and everyone else knows this. Now that you know this too, you have all the power you need. Keep an eye on your Sensor screen in your PDA. As soon as a member of THC enters the sector, take the appropriate action. If that means jumping to another sector, then so be it. Running the Edras WH is a bad idea as there is likely at least one player camping that WH. They will likely shoot you down in something like a Behemoth.
'Arm' yourself with a plugin or two. I believe AlertMachine will tell you who enters a sector and what not. That would be useful for keep track of possible enemies.
Aside from that, do you really NEED to go to Jallik/Edras? I'm sure there are more profitable (and safer) trading routes elsewhere, and besides, Deneb is WAY more fun.
With that said, you must understand that THC fails as a whole. They know this, and everyone else knows this. Now that you know this too, you have all the power you need. Keep an eye on your Sensor screen in your PDA. As soon as a member of THC enters the sector, take the appropriate action. If that means jumping to another sector, then so be it. Running the Edras WH is a bad idea as there is likely at least one player camping that WH. They will likely shoot you down in something like a Behemoth.
'Arm' yourself with a plugin or two. I believe AlertMachine will tell you who enters a sector and what not. That would be useful for keep track of possible enemies.
Aside from that, do you really NEED to go to Jallik/Edras? I'm sure there are more profitable (and safer) trading routes elsewhere, and besides, Deneb is WAY more fun.
@Phaserlight
That is in fact the only reason I posted this - to make it public.
I have been pushing for realistic VO Faction System for almost 5 years now.
If GS is not concerned about this, then by all means, everyone exploit away.
I fact, I wish them all happy and merry exploiting. :)
@MythOpus
I am in no danger, i know how to take care of myself. :)
Read my 1st post carefully, its about newbies getting chased away from VO.
That is in fact the only reason I posted this - to make it public.
I have been pushing for realistic VO Faction System for almost 5 years now.
If GS is not concerned about this, then by all means, everyone exploit away.
I fact, I wish them all happy and merry exploiting. :)
@MythOpus
I am in no danger, i know how to take care of myself. :)
Read my 1st post carefully, its about newbies getting chased away from VO.
Did you think about emailing the devs? They are the ones that can actually do something about it. I know it can be frustrating when someone is exploiting (not that I'm accusing anyone of this) however what good do you expect to come of posting about it on the general message board? Starting a flamewar isn't going to help, and if you are trying to garner attention ask yourself whose attention you really want.
haha, stupid newbs
Edit: "Neat trick" is not the same as "exploit."
The faction system works just as expected and described, which means there is no bug to exploit, which means this is just a neat trick.
Edit: "Neat trick" is not the same as "exploit."
The faction system works just as expected and described, which means there is no bug to exploit, which means this is just a neat trick.
@MythOpus Ctc does go through there.
I've used this exploit to my advantage many times. But i did it in serco space against transports. The turrets ignore you even if you kill an admired player/bot with in targeting range of them. Ive taken out transports 10m from a serco turret and they didn't even open fire IN serco space. If the turrets fired at the person who made the kill or fired then this issue would go away. And if the "sector" KOS lasted for 15min it would really become unprofitable. But thats for the suggestion forum.
Thanks Bojan. Now players can be aware of whats happening.
I've used this exploit to my advantage many times. But i did it in serco space against transports. The turrets ignore you even if you kill an admired player/bot with in targeting range of them. Ive taken out transports 10m from a serco turret and they didn't even open fire IN serco space. If the turrets fired at the person who made the kill or fired then this issue would go away. And if the "sector" KOS lasted for 15min it would really become unprofitable. But thats for the suggestion forum.
Thanks Bojan. Now players can be aware of whats happening.
@Phaserlight
As genka said, this is not a real exploit because it is allowed by the current Faction System rules. It is just a lame trick to rack up pks on newbies.
Emailing devs would have resulted with the usual answer: "New Faction System is in the works and it will be implemented soon."
My primary concern was to alert general public about what they can expect at Edras/Jallik wh. I just hope newbies and traders will read this and try to stay out of harms way.
As genka said, this is not a real exploit because it is allowed by the current Faction System rules. It is just a lame trick to rack up pks on newbies.
Emailing devs would have resulted with the usual answer: "New Faction System is in the works and it will be implemented soon."
My primary concern was to alert general public about what they can expect at Edras/Jallik wh. I just hope newbies and traders will read this and try to stay out of harms way.
you can do the same thing on the Latos/Azek wormhole. No neat station on the wh, but still...
Not an exploit. More power to THC.
@Azumi
I remember old times when Azek/Latos wh was a chokepoint for traders and a good hunting ground for pirates. Lot of fun fighting on both sides. :)
But in the old times pirates hailed and demanded a payout and usually let newbies up to combat 3 live to get away or even gave them some money.
Good old VO pirates spent millions handing credits to newbies there and those newbies stayed to play another day.
I remember old times when Azek/Latos wh was a chokepoint for traders and a good hunting ground for pirates. Lot of fun fighting on both sides. :)
But in the old times pirates hailed and demanded a payout and usually let newbies up to combat 3 live to get away or even gave them some money.
Good old VO pirates spent millions handing credits to newbies there and those newbies stayed to play another day.
too bad money isnt as abundant as it used to be. i handed out 75mil credits to newbs in my day. now, we all have to do what we can to keep a little cash in our pocket. (unless we're tgft or pa and have over a billion credits stocked up)
Newsflash: people have been 'exploiting' faction issues for years. I guess no-one cared when it was mainly UiT getting popped in their own space, (and yes, before any 'comedians' point it out, I know we're a subhuman non-nation :-P).
Now a few Itani get to feel what its like, and it's the end of VO as we know it? Come on. There are 8-9 systems of virtually safe (and dull) Itani space for newbs to find their feet - if only every nation was this lucky.
I don't condone newb killing, but if they're heading for Edras, then they're heading for danger.
Now a few Itani get to feel what its like, and it's the end of VO as we know it? Come on. There are 8-9 systems of virtually safe (and dull) Itani space for newbs to find their feet - if only every nation was this lucky.
I don't condone newb killing, but if they're heading for Edras, then they're heading for danger.
Newbs dont belong in Edras. Its grey space, get over it.
I remember that time too Bojan... Wait, I still do it.
Remeber that THC is NOT a pirate guild. They are a bunch of homicidal lunatics (no offense) that likes to kill everything they see. Since they have a lot of relatively newcomers to PvP, they prey on the weakest. However, in this case they kill newbs going to grey. Power to them really, so do I. I warn the low level char's that they have to leave to nation space immediately, but if they do not, I kill them. And again and again.
That said, I am still waiting for the removal of FF and the rework of the faction system that'll remove all these exploits/tricks/more power to them tricks. And create new ones....
Remeber that THC is NOT a pirate guild. They are a bunch of homicidal lunatics (no offense) that likes to kill everything they see. Since they have a lot of relatively newcomers to PvP, they prey on the weakest. However, in this case they kill newbs going to grey. Power to them really, so do I. I warn the low level char's that they have to leave to nation space immediately, but if they do not, I kill them. And again and again.
That said, I am still waiting for the removal of FF and the rework of the faction system that'll remove all these exploits/tricks/more power to them tricks. And create new ones....
Well, I usually occupy that WH. Yesterday, for example, I shot iry 6 times, Greenwall 4 times, some other [Itan] 4 times or so in total. All in Edras I-2. I shot one UIT newbie (not a complete newb anyway) in Jallik E-15, one Itani newb (again, he had levels 2-3) in Edras I-2, the same one in Edras B-11 where he opened fire on me first. Some other non-newb players in grey space.
The only players I know they are jump-firing other there are iry and his brave [Itan] boys. They could not get us so they tried to weaken us (THC) before reentering fight in Edras. I usually jumped there with 5% or so. And yeah, I tried to do the same to them once, then.
I also helped some newbies in game. Surprise? I came to kill one in a nation space when he disclosed his position public on 100. In the end, I didn't kill him, gave him some megaposis and taught him how to kill queens. Killed two of them with him. I also gave 1M to one of them, far less to some others. It is hard to make money these days, right. When I kill a newb in grey, once, twice ... I let him go next time because I would not destroy his game, his fun of it, I would not make him to leave VO.
So stop posting complete BS like this please.
The only players I know they are jump-firing other there are iry and his brave [Itan] boys. They could not get us so they tried to weaken us (THC) before reentering fight in Edras. I usually jumped there with 5% or so. And yeah, I tried to do the same to them once, then.
I also helped some newbies in game. Surprise? I came to kill one in a nation space when he disclosed his position public on 100. In the end, I didn't kill him, gave him some megaposis and taught him how to kill queens. Killed two of them with him. I also gave 1M to one of them, far less to some others. It is hard to make money these days, right. When I kill a newb in grey, once, twice ... I let him go next time because I would not destroy his game, his fun of it, I would not make him to leave VO.
So stop posting complete BS like this please.
Yes the pirates are exploiting the faction system. Why does this surprise anyone? The devs are indeed working on fixing the faction system (I sure hope so anyhow), in the meantime I do not agree they should be taking time out to patch this trick. If anything they should be focusing more on finishing the new faction changes instead of adding green fog to sectors :p
Meanwhile, most of the pirates I've seen in the area are easy kills for vets like you Bojan. Why aren't you there keeping the area safe? I've racked up a dozen or so PK's in that area with relative ease. Edras has become a much more active sector, and I welcome the action :D
Meanwhile, most of the pirates I've seen in the area are easy kills for vets like you Bojan. Why aren't you there keeping the area safe? I've racked up a dozen or so PK's in that area with relative ease. Edras has become a much more active sector, and I welcome the action :D
As the CO of THC I feel the need to chip in a little more also,
I was camping in a storm for a player I knew was homed in the wrong place, because he announced it on public chat (yes, I could tell he was new, so I took the hard route, to teach him a little about ion storms) he kept hitting the same storm, and I kept killing him in it (well, a few times, not many).
I then offered him an escort from his *home station* (a corvus base) back to his own nation space where he would be safe, I showed him how to avoid the storm I was capping him in, and he went on to pay for the game. I do not name names, but I am sure some of you have heard about this story.
I was camping in a storm for a player I knew was homed in the wrong place, because he announced it on public chat (yes, I could tell he was new, so I took the hard route, to teach him a little about ion storms) he kept hitting the same storm, and I kept killing him in it (well, a few times, not many).
I then offered him an escort from his *home station* (a corvus base) back to his own nation space where he would be safe, I showed him how to avoid the storm I was capping him in, and he went on to pay for the game. I do not name names, but I am sure some of you have heard about this story.
@Inco
Prove me wrong. Help new players Instead of killing them repeatedly. And by all means do shoot all Itani above combat 3, their nation needs them lean and mean. :)
@drazed
I posted this because I care about VO and new players that are essential for VO to live on.
SKV is remaining dormant until new Faction System & FF redux is implemented. You can expect to see a lot of us online when that happens.
@yodaofborg
You had a breaking point 5 years ago. You started caring about newbies then and you still do. Your way is the right way but that wont stop me from calling you a smeghead!
Prove me wrong. Help new players Instead of killing them repeatedly. And by all means do shoot all Itani above combat 3, their nation needs them lean and mean. :)
@drazed
I posted this because I care about VO and new players that are essential for VO to live on.
SKV is remaining dormant until new Faction System & FF redux is implemented. You can expect to see a lot of us online when that happens.
@yodaofborg
You had a breaking point 5 years ago. You started caring about newbies then and you still do. Your way is the right way but that wont stop me from calling you a smeghead!
Gfs drazed, see you there. Vendetta is a dish best served ... online! :)