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An Alternative to Intelligent Design?

Aug 09, 2005 jexkerome link
Not sure if it's been posted here before (went back a couple of pages and saw nothing like it), so here it goes:

http://www.venganza.org

Read, think, enjoy.
Aug 09, 2005 red cactus link
That piece of shit. The IDEA of Intelligent Design IS NOT A THEORY. A theory in science is something that has been proved using plausible scientific evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The only thing that involves less doubt is a Law. How dare he call this bullshit "The THEORY of Intelligent Design." I have seen absolutely no plausible scientific evidence, have you? Whereas the scientific evidence for the theory of evolution is overwhelming.

...I didn't read past the first paragraph because I was so angry.

edit: uh....whoops. I glanced down the page and saw "Flying Spaghetti Monster".... Uhm. Please ignore my rant. :p But I'm leaving it up so people can laugh at me.
Aug 09, 2005 danielky link
wow... great chart title:

"Global Average Temperature Vs. Number of Pirates"

Don't kill pirates, it causes global warming!!
Aug 09, 2005 Spellcast link
LoL.

They are trying to include creationism as a science in schools in kansas?

I have no real objection to teaching creationism in a generic (read as non-denominational) form alongside darwinism, after all a significant portion of the population believes in some form of higher power, be it god, spagetti, or (in my case) a great cupcake (dont ask).. but it definitely belongs with philosophy and social studies not the hard sciences.

anyhow, the site is a great use of satire, thanks for the link.

(btw YARR!!!)
Aug 09, 2005 Suicidal Lemming link
I am so getting a temperature vs pirates mug.
Aug 09, 2005 KixKizzle link
Wow, I never knew.
Aug 10, 2005 jexkerome link
*Laughs at Red Cactus*

Read the site, it's pure genius.

*goes buy full pirate regalia*
Aug 10, 2005 Beolach link
Minor correction for red cactus: a theory is not something that "has been proved using plausible scientific evidence beyond a reasonable doubt." A theory is something that could be disproved, but has not been.

"Any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis; you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory."
-- Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time
Aug 10, 2005 Forum Moderator link
"The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance... logic can be happily tossed out the window."
-- Stephen King
Aug 11, 2005 margoth link
But then again, logic is just a _human_ invention. ;)
Aug 11, 2005 Spellcast link
but cause and effect, the basis for logic, are not margoth.
Aug 11, 2005 margoth link
I thought causality requires temporal logic, which is an extension of basic logic...

Anyway, non-causality and non-rationality is the very beauty of using deities or other magical actors in a RP scenario. Those don't have to make sense. Characters or players are not supposed to comprehend the way they work, resulting in sweet confusion and uncertainty. Sometimes even horror! Am I off-topic enough now?
Aug 12, 2005 Forum Moderator link
No, you are inexplicably ON topic within the Off Topic forum. We went from quoting Stephen Hawking to quoting Stephen King to a reference to horror. So linear.
Aug 12, 2005 sarahanne link
The saddest part is that good science teachers no longer teach Darwinism as the end all to be all. Modern genetics tells us so much more with knowledge about mutation and genes etc. Darwinism just told us to look for the patterns, while molecular genetics actually gave us a mechanism. Darwin is the scape goat for many people becuase they don't understand the facts. To some people they look at a chimp and think "No Way am I related to that but Darwin says I must be" How dare you teach that falsehood in schools. Well I'd agree with them, I don't want to be a monkey's aunt. However Darwinism does not imply this at all.

I found that as I studied genetics in depth I became more faithful. The natural word is astounding and I'm amazed by what I've learned. With all the things that have to work together to form a baby from a single fertilized cell, it's a wonder that we exist at all.
Aug 13, 2005 momerath42 link
Genetics astounds me. As a computer programmer (from age 6), I can't help but imagine our genes as an unbelievably enormous program with very little logic per line (or peptide) and a lot of gotos, which, nevertheless, does more amazing things than any human-devised program could hope to (so far).
Something that I imagined this program doing, before I was given a grounding in darwinism, is improving itself in the course of a life, and implementing its improvements into its offspring. This idea was discarded during Lamarck's lifetime (its called Lamarckian evolution), but has recently been shown to occur! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetic_inheritance
Aug 13, 2005 margoth link
Now that was a very interesting read on epigenetic inheritance. As sarahanne pointed out, darwinism only looks for patterns and doesn't even try to explain the biochemical process. That process is slowly being releaved and AFAIK the nuclei acids are just one important part in the build-up and maintenance of a creature, leaving plenty of room for other agents and phenomenons. Still wouldn't call it a computer since the "code" and the "processing environment" are the same.

Tidbits of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphogenesis
Aug 13, 2005 Beolach link
I love wikipedia.