okay, so the prom isn't all that great... neither are the AGT, or sunflares, but all together it's way too damn powerful... it's too fast to be hit at range, too heavily armored to outgun, and to damn dangerous to fight close in, even with a light ship.

I say cut both the weight and the thrust of the prom substantially, so carrying an AGT/sunflares will actually slow it down some like it would any other ship. a slight redux in armor would help too - it really doesn't need it given its narrow profile and how bloody fast it moves.

aequitas, please bfroe you go over to that judgement ask for a fight with people not using an agt and for example a prom mk2 or even mk3.

Then look if you would still make the same objection.

The problem is not the prom... its the combination of prom with agt and sunflares, ability to pack close defense and the ability to wield an agt like an ion. If you decrease the proms abilities you'll once again make it a brick since it will loose its fastness...

Yes. That was his point. It's not just one thing. But prom should overall be much slower, speed-wise I think.

What Harry said. Which is rather ironic.

Hoist with his own petard! And I've even used a french word!

\me is bored and trolling today.

Blah so in the end the special will become the brick it used to be... fun fun fun :(

Rene : but but but! Read what Talon is saying again!

actually i've been advocating a reduction it the proms agility for a while.

its thrust is mostly fine, its the speed at which it TURNS that causes the most problems.

My solution would be to reduce its thrust by a SMALL amount, and cut its agility(spin torque?) by a larger amount.

And i liked it better when it was a brick rene, at least it took some skill to use.

So the prom is really powerful, but it's not unbeatable. Get in a rag or a taur and it's a fun fight.

And a prom can't give you a hard time. It's easy to get away from and it's easy to gank. If you don't like the prom, just don't fight it.

Now those cents on the other hand...

I did, and it still looks like a nerf in stead of a small adjustment that should be done towards the agt alone...

In most of the times you went out in a prom then and expected to come out death. When you survived you just had luck or the opponent made a major blunder.

Not to mention that it was a great ship agaisnt the rammers from that time due to its superb hull. But making a Nation special into a moving brick would be an affront for entire serco... since it would mean again that the itanis have a ship they can use while the sercos need to use uber talent (so to say) to stand a chance.

Rene,
I think your kinda taking this too far.
Noone wants to kill the ship so its useless.
This is a place to speculate about what we need to change as to balance the prom so enough with the defeatest attitude.
I'm serco.

1.) I say we lower the agt's refire rate by a SMALL amount.
2.) Cut the hull by 10%.
3.) Lower the spin torque by 1 N for each variant except the basic.

I'm mostly in favor of the latter two.

personaly i have no issues with the prom, they are killable, you just need good aim. you'll probably end up backrolling (or prety close to backrolling) and firing from 300-600m the trick is to wate till the prom uses turbo to close the distance (becuase it can't dodge) or you'll just have to lear to hiot things from more than 200m.

Lord Q : if you are hitting things at 200m, it's not because your aim rules, it's because your opponent does not know how to dodge :D.

lets start small. lower the spin like has been said, wait a week. then start again.

I think that buffing the completely useless maud is higher as a priority than slightly tweaking the prom.

I'm gonna agree with Fooz on this one. Buff the maud.

I also think that if we are to nerf the prom... then make sure that it is still respectable in combat when compared to the combat effectiveness of the valk.

Alterations to the prom must be balanced against the performace of the opposing nation's special.

One more thing I'd like people to remember... at least you can hit a prom with energy some of the time... it's nigh impossible to hit a centurion with energy...

Look, we can't keep buffing things. We've already got a few ships which are a bit too fast.

And let me echo softy2. If you're hitting someone at 200m, its a matter of pure luck, and stupid dodging skills on their end (AKA rolling).

and btw, if you do backroll, you should know that you're hittable by agt, all they have to do it turn off autoaim and spray into your roll. BAM hit after hit.

There is NO EASY way to beat a prom. And anyone who's willing to test that can look me up, I'll jump in a prom and show you.

ICBM: Yes. That's why EVERYTHING should be slowed down.

"There is NO EASY way to beat a prom. And anyone who's willing to test that can look me up, I'll jump in a prom and show you."

Haha I've beaten proms easy before and all I needed was another friend with a prom to help my prom beat the other prom. See the ships are fine.

Yeah I'm in an odd mood right about now...

Well let's see you beat his prom with a REV or Valk or SVG or Maud.
And why are ppl saying mauds suck?
Mauds rock with flares you noobs.
They got just enough turbo thrust to make em balanced against a hog, which is just the right amount of combat effectiveness a Maud should have.
And if anyone doesn't realize how turbo thrust fits into the equation then that'd be the reason you suck in a maud.

me points:

valks with flares rock
valks with energy suck
proms with agt + flares rock
proms with jack+ flares rock but are matched to the rag/cent agresso with similar setup
proms with agt + dual tach ok
cents with dual tachs rock
cents with dual flares ugh
vults with dual energy ok
vults with 1 flare 1 energy rock
vults with dual flare ok
maud with tripple flare rocks
maud with anthiong else : sucks
goes on like this forever.